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The discussion centers on the impact of Sarah Palin's selection as the vice-presidential candidate for John McCain's campaign. Initial reactions highlighted her appeal to women, but the conversation quickly shifted to criticisms of her qualifications and the controversies surrounding her, such as her daughter's pregnancy and various ethical issues. Despite these controversies, many supporters remained loyal, attributing her popularity to her charisma and ability to connect with conservative values. Critics argue that her lack of substantial experience and knowledge in complex political matters undermines her candidacy. The dialogue also touches on the broader implications of the election process, suggesting that it has devolved into a popularity contest rather than a serious evaluation of candidates' qualifications and policies. Participants express frustration over the perceived ignorance of voters who support candidates based on superficial traits rather than substantive issues, leading to concerns about the future of democracy and informed decision-making in elections.
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I hate to jump on the bash Palin bandwagon, but this is pretty funny to anybody that's had to struggle through diagramming sentences in English class: Diagramming Palin

Actually, diagramming the sentences of any candidate in interviews would give you a decent clue about their poise under stress. It's not that easy.
 
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  • #502
BobG said:
I hate to jump on the bash Palin bandwagon, but this is pretty funny to anybody that's had to struggle through diagramming sentences in English class: Diagramming Palin

Actually, diagramming the sentences of any candidate in interviews would give you a decent clue about their poise under stress. It's not that easy.
That was great!

You have to wonder if a tv interview is so stressful that her brain ceases to function, what would she do if she were presented with an actual crisis? I would expect anyone running for Vice-President of the United States to be capable of handling an interview.

I don't know how tonight's debate will be formatted, but I'd like to see the questions phrased in a way that she will need to activate a few brain cells in order to pluck out the canned answers.

And, please, do not diagram my sentences. :redface:
 
  • #503
BobG, that is fascinating! It seems Palin was 'miss' remembering snippets and (I got to give her handlers credit for trying) slogans - talking points - in the wrong order or permutating them in her head into what she thought was something with meaning/sense (but only to her.)
 
  • #504
Hefner makes Palin a Centerfold offer.

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=73737
 
  • #505
Evo said:
That was great!

You have to wonder if a tv interview is so stressful that her brain ceases to function, what would she do if she were presented with an actual crisis? I would expect anyone running for Vice-President of the United States to be capable of handling an interview.

I don't know how tonight's debate will be formatted, but I'd like to see the questions phrased in a way that she will need to activate a few brain cells in order to pluck out the canned answers.

And, please, do not diagram my sentences. :redface:

I thought about trying to diagram one of Joe Biden's sentences, but I'm stumped. Is "yes" a noun or a verb?

Brian Williams: Senator Biden, words have, in the past, gotten you in trouble, words that were borrowed and words that some found hateful.

An editorial in the Los Angeles Times said, "In addition to his uncontrolled verbosity, Biden is a gaff machine."

Can you reassure voters in this country that you would have the discipline you would need on the world stage, Senator?

Biden: Yes.
Actually, Biden's pretty good at speaking in coherent sentences. He may not know when to quit speaking, but his sentences are usually short and well constructed.

Chuck, stand up! Let 'em see ya!
 
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Evo said:
I don't know how tonight's debate will be formatted, but I'd like to see the questions phrased in a way that she will need to activate a few brain cells in order to pluck out the canned answers.

Article on the debates:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/us/politics/21debate.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all

McCain Campaign sought to limit the debate to short questions and answers with little opportunity to interchange between the candidates. They would prefer to focus on McCain's positions they say.
 
  • #507
LowlyPion said:
Article on the debates:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/us/politics/21debate.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all

McCain Campaign sought to limit the debate to short questions and answers with little opportunity to interchange between the candidates. They would prefer to focus on McCain's positions they say.
That is preposterous. Basically the McCain camp is saying "Since we have chosen someone completely unqualified for VP, we need to limit the questions to something she can have a chance of understanding." Oh my god! Can anything be more embarrasing for McCain?

At the insistence of the McCain campaign, the Oct. 2 debate between the Republican nominee for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, and her Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., will have shorter question-and-answer segments than those for the presidential nominees, the advisers said. There will also be much less opportunity for free-wheeling, direct exchanges between the running mates.

McCain advisers said they had been concerned that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage and largely on the defensive.
:smile:

Perhaps the correct thing to have done would have been to pick someone qualified?
 
  • #508
I want Ifill to ask Palin how giving hundreds of billions of dollars to Wall Street will translate in "job creation" as she claimed in the Couric interview.
 
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Evo said:
That is preposterous. Basically the McCain camp is saying "Since we have chosen someone completely unqualified for VP, we need to limit the questions to something she can have a chance of understanding." Oh my god! Can anything be more embarrasing for McCain?

:smile:

Perhaps the correct thing to have done would have been to pick someone qualified?
The sad part is that we only know what has been agreed to. These guys are primarily lawyers, and you know they went to the debate committee looking for a lot more than they got. They probably wanted Ifill to ask leading questions that would require answers not much more complicated than "yes" or "no". Limiting exchanges between the candidates is actually good for Biden, lest he come off as patronizing in the eyes of Palin supporters. If they were to have some sort of back-and-forth, the comparison would not have been favorable to Palin, and McCain camp would be hollering about sexism and favoritism.
 
  • #510
I want Ifill to ask her. Who is the President of Spain:smile::rolleyes::biggrin:; and what we can do to bring about rebuilding a coalition of nations to address the Taliban and Al-Quaida?
 
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Evo said:
Perhaps the correct thing to have done would have been to pick someone qualified?

While I don't disagree with you that she is unqualified, to say that, because she is an inexperienced debater, she is unqualified is a stretch.
 
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Amp1 said:
BobG, that is fascinating! It seems Palin was 'miss' remembering snippets and (I got to give her handlers credit for trying) slogans - talking points - in the wrong order or permutating them in her head into what she thought was something with meaning/sense (but only to her.)

Long and complicated is okay. http://www.geocities.com/gene_moutoux/dialit6.htm

Nonsense and lies are okay. They still diagram perfectly well.

Obama can be tougher to diagram than Biden, but, mainly, his sentences just take longer to diagram. They're not an undecipherable mess.

Obama said:
If we're going to ask questions about, you know, who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily.

He obviously trashed that response, but it was still a coherent sentence that was easy to diagram (aside from that hanging "you know").
 
  • #513
NeoDevin said:
While I don't disagree with you that she is unqualified, to say that, because she is an inexperienced debater, she is unqualified is a stretch.
I didn't say she was an inexperienced debator, that's the pitiful excuse put forward by the McCain camp.

It's not about debate skills, that's smoke and mirrors, she's been in plenty of debates. It's about having experience on a national level. She doesn't have it, and, in my eyes, that makes her unqualified for VP of the "nation".
 
  • #514
lisab said:
This doesn't surprise me much, Greg. When I lived in Alaska I was astounded at the level of insulation of the people up there (no pun intended!). It'a a wonderful place, but it is NOT like the rest of the US.

After a couple of years up there, I came back to the lower 48 to find that the highway speed limit was no longer 55 mph (I hadn't heard!) and there were these fanciful things that sent documents over phone lines, called "faxes". And there were dozens of other little things like that.

Don't get me wrong, I loved living in Alaska. It's like no where else I've lived - the people are so great - I haven't met people so decent and open (and a bit odd), ever. But it is VERY insulated and separate from the rest of the world.

I spent a year up there. When you came back, did you find yourself expecting to know everyone you saw on the street?

It was kind of a disconcerting feeling being back around so many strangers. I look at strangers different from people I know and it kept creating a feeling of awkwardness when we made eye contact.

That SNL skit where Tina Fey (as Palin) kept seeing Osama Bin Laden reminded me of that. I could almost see Palin doing that.
 
  • #515
Northern Maine is like that, too. You really have to mentally shift gears if you visit a city - up here everybody knows everybody, at least by sight or reputation. Years back a couple of teachers moved here from Alaska with their daughter, and they became family friends. They fit right in almost immediately. About the only thing that they didn't like about Maine was the brutal winters, though they eventually toughened up, and still live here. Apparently the weather in Alaska's south coastal zone is pretty temperate.
 
  • #516
I see Palin and her cohorts may struggle to wriggle their way out of assisting the inquiry set up into the sacking of the man who refused to fire her brother-in-law.

Judge backs Palin investigation

An Alaskan judge has refused to block a probe into an alleged abuse of power by Governor Sarah Palin, the Republican candidate for vice-president.

Alaska's Legislative Council ordered a probe earlier this year into whether Mrs Palin acted properly when she fired the state's public safety commissioner.

A lawsuit filed by Republican lawmakers said the council had exceeded its authority when it ordered the probe.

But the judge said the investigation was within the council's power.

An independent investigator, Steve Branchflower, is due to present his findings on 10 October.

Mr Branchflower is examining claims that Mrs Palin pressured the commissioner to fire a state trooper who had been through a bitter divorce with her sister.

Mrs Palin denies the claims, and says commissioner Walt Monegan was ousted over budget disagreements.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7649978.stm
 
  • #517
Art said:
I see Palin and her cohorts may struggle to wriggle their way out of assisting the inquiry set up into the sacking of the man who refused to fire her brother-in-law.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7649978.stm

Here's the story in the ADN:
AlaskaDailyNews said:
The Liberty Legal Institute said Thursday's ruling is a dangerous decision and declared that "Judge Michalski is the same judge who ruled in 1998 that same-sex marriage is a fundamental right, a decision subsequently overruled by a constitutional amendment approved by the voters of Alaska."
http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/544566.html

Dangerous perhaps to Palin's agenda. But basically his ruling boils down to saying that if they have a problem with the process then their recourse is to deal with it within the context of the legislative branch. (And that as politicians of course they will be expected to deal in rhetoric one supposes.)
Judge Michalski wrote in his ruling that "the idea of fairness is an ambiguous and subjective concept."

"The court finds the conduct of Senator French, Senator Elton and investigator Branchflower do not rise to the level of a violation of any individuals' right to fairness. Fairness within a legislative context is different than fairness within a judicial context. It is expected that legislators will belong to some party and will support the positions of their party, often publicly," the judge wrote.
 
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LowlyPion said:
Here's the story in the ADN:

http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/544566.html

Dangerous perhaps to Palin's agenda. But basically his ruling boils down to saying that if they have a problem with the process then their recourse is to deal with it within the context of the legislative branch. (And that as politicians of course they will be expected to deal in rhetoric one supposes.)
I liked the bit where it said she may be impeached. By golly!
 
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Art said:
I liked the bit where it said she may be impeached. By golly!

Here's a link to the ruling.

http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/10/03/09/ORDER_on_Motion_to_Dismiss_and_Temporary_and_Preliminary_Injunction.10-02.2008.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

Basically it's a separation of powers issue, and the fulcrum upon which these lawyers from Texas were arguing was based on the fact that the wrong Committee had been assigned to the investigation.

The Judge basically told those hired gun cowpokes (bought and paid for by the McCain campaign no doubt), to get along little doggies, because if the legislature misassigned it, then they can gosh darn straighten it out themselves by golly.
 
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AlaskaDailyNews said:
The Liberty Legal Institute said Thursday's ruling is a dangerous decision and declared that "Judge Michalski is the same judge who ruled in 1998 that same-sex marriage is a fundamental right, a decision subsequently overruled by a constitutional amendment approved by the voters of Alaska."

What I liked about this argument was that these lawyers that got spanked where trying to paint this Judge guy as incompetent by saying that a ruling he made was overruled - but not in the courts I would note. By Constitutional amendment to the Alaska Constitution.

Will they now seek to have this ruling overruled by Amendment to the constitution as well? Call it the Save Sarah Amendment?
 
  • #521
LowlyPion said:
What I liked about this argument was that these lawyers that got spanked where trying to paint this Judge guy as incompetent by saying that a ruling he made was overruled - but not in the courts I would note. By Constitutional amendment to the Alaska Constitution.

Will they now seek to have this ruling overruled by Amendment to the constitution as well? Call it the Save Sarah Amendment?
I noted that too. The judge ruled correctly as the law then stood. If he hadn't they wouldn't have needed a constitutional amendment to overturn his ruling. If that's the level of their arguing skills one can see why they lost in court.
 
  • #522
Palins release Tax Returns

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gp77q25DPCEibEdOBHWiKkz5EVWQD93JDD702
AP said:
Regarding the per diem dispute, Comella said Juneau is the governor's home base and therefore whenever she works elsewhere, she is entitled to charge the state. Comella contended the per diem payments are not taxable.

I believe this would be an incorrect interpretation of the IRS statutes. Any excess over actual expenses out of pocket I believe should be treated as income.
 
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  • #523
And I could have had a 100 on every test I ever took if I could go look up the answers after the test papers were collected and got to change my answers. EGADS. She was being flippant? Sure she was. That's so Presidential. Or was it that VERBIAGE thing again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIWns9ieUv4

The New York Times ?
The Wall Street Journal ?
The Economist ?

What a bizarre list for such a shallow thinker.

Supreme Court:
Kennedy v. Louisiana ? Oh sure. Every beauty contestant worries about states rights being able to execute any darn person they want. Gosh darn I'm sure she has been seething about that one for months. (June 2008)

Or Kelo v. City of New London about eminent domain property rights that has given her nightmares for years. Why how dare that uppity Katy Couric for even suggesting she wasn't on top of court decisions. (June 2005)
(Interesting that BOTH were decided by the current justices.)
 
  • #524
LowlyPion said:
And I could have had a 100 on every test I ever took if I could go look up the answers after the test papers were collected and got to change my answers. EGADS. She was being flippant? Sure she was. That's so Presidential. Or was it that VERBIAGE thing again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIWns9ieUv4

The New York Times ?
The Wall Street Journal ?
The Economist ?

What a bizarre list for such a shallow thinker.

Supreme Court:
Kennedy v. Louisiana ? Oh sure. Every beauty contestant worries about states rights being able to execute any darn person they want. Gosh darn I'm sure she has been seething about that one for months. (June 2008)

Or Kelo v. City of New London about eminent domain property rights that has given her nightmares for years. Why how dare that uppity Katy Couric for even suggesting she wasn't on top of court decisions. (June 2005)
(Interesting that BOTH were decided by the current justices.)

Ugh! [pulls eyes out of head with fork] I couldn't even stand to watch or listen to the whole thing.

It is like listening to Bush or Cheney.
 
  • #525
Ivan Seeking said:
Ugh! [pulls eyes out of head with fork] I couldn't even stand to watch or listen to the whole thing.

It is like listening to Bush or Cheney.

There is no doubt that she has no substance. She has no integrity either and this is a strange thing for the tops of the ticket to be embracing while campaigning on the rubbish notion that they would somehow represent change in Government. She and McCain get painted with the same brush insofar as being satisfied to misrepresent themselves as they further their personal ambition.

And Fox has without a doubt become merely a propaganda arm of 24/7 political rhetoric and softball journalism to promote the Far Right Agenda. I think there needs to be a toughening of the FCC guidelines as to equal time. And maybe the FEC as well. Clearly Fox has pushed the envelope to becoming an undeclared campaign contributor/supporter to the McCain Campaign with the obsequious treatment of all things McCain/Palin.
 
  • #526
I'm thinking that The Economist must be mighty surprised today to discover that Sarah Cheerlead-a-cuda has ever cracked the cover of even a one of their issues. If I had been interviewing her I would have asked her immediately to recall any article that she might have read there and what relevance to Alaska she may have drawn from it.

Equally surprising is the idea that she would have had in mind Kennedy v. La or Kelo v. New London. I can guarantee that she had no awareness of either of those 2 judgments at the time that Couric asked her questions or she would have spouted Marbury, or Plessey or Miranda or Brown.. Neither was her response to Couric "flippant" so much as it appeared beauty contestant like BLANK - numbingly dumb BLANK.
 
  • #527
Has anyone else seen Rich Lowry's review of the VP debate in the National Review? It's pretty obscene:

A very wise TV executive once told me that the key to TV is projecting through the screen. It's one of the keys to the success of, say, a Bill O'Reilly, who comes through the screen and grabs you by the throat. Palin too projects through the screen like crazy. I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDYzMGFiNjQ0MWRjNmI0ZTlkYjgwZTExMjA3MWNiZTk=

I wonder if he even expects to be taken seriously? That review is just over the top.
 
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  • #528
fourier jr said:
Has anyone else seen Rich Lowry's review of the VP debate in the National Review? It's pretty obscene:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDYzMGFiNjQ0MWRjNmI0ZTlkYjgwZTExMjA3MWNiZTk=

I wonder if he even expects to be taken seriously? That review is just over the top.

Keith Obermann read that piece last night and sadly that falls into the GILF category of fantasization I think. Would that our politics and policies be decided by sterner reasons.
 
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  • #529
fourier jr said:
Has anyone else seen Rich Lowry's review of the VP debate in the National Review? It's pretty obscene:


http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDYzMGFiNjQ0MWRjNmI0ZTlkYjgwZTExMjA3MWNiZTk=

I wonder if he even expects to be taken seriously? That review is just over the top.

:smile::smile::smile::smile::smile: Well, thank God I am beyond being influenced by wink. I guess Palin will be getting the sex fantasy vote.

However, Obama girl is another matter altogether. I'm certain that she waived her fanny at me!
 
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  • #530
LowlyPion said:
She was being flippant? Sure she was. That's so Presidential. Or was it that VERBIAGE thing again?
Palin's remarks concerning Obama's position on Afghanistan were incorrect.

Robert Gates (Secretary DOD) and Gen. McKiernan have acknowledged the need reduce and avoid civilian casualties/fatalities.
Astronuc said:
Approximately 395 civilians have been killed by US and allied forces in 2008.

As far as I know Obama's tax plan does not call for additional spending of $1 trillion over projected budgets. The budget will somehow have to be reduced and realigned, or taxes raised to cover the spending. The US government cannot continue to have deficits of $400 billion without adverse impact on the economy.
 
  • #531
Palin has apparently taken up orders from Rove Central and is attacking Obama because of simply knowing William Ayers as reported on FoxNews?

Apparently the Republicans want to drive the news cycle with mudslinging to hide their desperate position on Healthcare policy - which is what Obama was discussing today.

The reason the polls have been running against them is because they are running away from substantive discussion of their bankrupt policies.
 
  • #532
Troopergate Subpoena Injunction Appealed to the Alaska Supreme Court.
ADN said:
"The plaintiffs and Alaskans will suffer irreparable harm if the investigation at issue continues and if the resulting investigative report issues as planned on Oct. 10, 2008," their lawyers wrote in the request for the state Supreme Court to hear the appeal.
http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/545448.html

I get for sure how Palin may be harmed, but I don't understand why that would be a bad thing for the people of Alaska if she really has misused her office.

How unseemly for Palin to be ducking these subpoenas.

She's acting just like every other guilty Republican that has preceded her.

How does this make her a maverick?
 
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The ADN video with various clips on Troopergate.
http://community.adn.com/mini_apps/vmix/player.php?ID=2221420&GID=118

A continuing story.
 
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  • #534
fourier jr said:
Has anyone else seen Rich Lowry's review of the VP debate in the National Review? It's pretty obscene:


http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDYzMGFiNjQ0MWRjNmI0ZTlkYjgwZTExMjA3MWNiZTk=

I wonder if he even expects to be taken seriously? That review is just over the top.

I blame America Idol
 
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  • #535
I didn't catch this nuance the first time reading the ADN story:
ADN said:
The attorney general's office has not joined the appeal to the state Supreme Court. Palin spokeswoman Sharon Leighow said Colberg would not say what his next move would be until he has a chance to discuss it with the subpoenaed state officials.

The hired McCain guns are continuing with an appeal, but the Attorney General is not apparently a part of that appeal. This would mean that the issued subpoenas would force testimony sooner than later, and First Dude and the other members of her staff will apparently be required to testify. Predictably the Legislative Counsel is not expecting any reversal in the Superior Court ruling regarding the courts interfering in legislative matters.

The next step if it fails would be to file in Federal Appeals Court. Except that becomes a particularly untenable position in light of her recent confederationist stances about Federal Courts interfering in the operation of state issues. But then again when has hypocrisy stopped a Rove Republican?
 
  • #536
Here is another issue that smacks of self interest and abuse of office.

Sarah Palin has been working to strip the Indigenous Peoples of Alaska of their Subsistence Fishing Rights in order to make these rights available to commercial and Sport fishermen. Oh and golly she and Todd own a commercial fishing business too. Now that can't be any self interest on her part now can it?
IndianCountryToday said:
Sarah Palin’s hostile record on Alaska Native subsistence

Perhaps no issue is of greater importance to Alaska Native peoples as the right to hunt and fish according to ancient customary and traditional practices, and to carry on the subsistence way of life for future generations.

These rights are not just a matter of custom; they are a matter of necessity in a state where Native villages are spread across a largely roadless area covering 375 million acres, and where subsistence foods are still fully 60 percent of the local diet.

But Gov. Sarah Palin has consistently opposed those essential and fundamental rights.

As soon as Palin was sworn in as governor, she set a firm course against Native subsistence rights. One of her very first decisions was to continue litigation that seeks to overturn every subsistence fishing determination the federal government has ever made in Alaska. The goal of Palin’s lawsuit (now known as Alaska v. Kempthorne) is to invalidate all the subsistence fishing regulations the federal government has ever issued to protect Alaska Native fishing in navigable waters. If successful, Palin’s attack would move every subsistence issue into the courts and thus tie up Alaska Native subsistence for generations. The reason is no secret: to diminish subsistence fishing rights in order to expand sport and commercial fishing.
http://www.indiancountrytoday.com/politics/28313519.html
 
  • #537
Palin's Pipeline to Nowhere?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1846731,00.html
It may be difficult for Americans in the Lower 48 to fully grasp how much Alaskans benefit from their state's vast oil and gas deposits. Alaska is home to just over 20% of the nation's proven oil deposits and almost 18% of its natural-gas reserves. About 90% of the state's public revenue comes from oil and gas royalty receipts. Alaskans pay no state income or state sales tax. Instead, they receive an annual dividend from the state treasurer that comes directly from the oil industry. Over the past 25 years, the average Alaskan has received roughly $1,200 from the state each year. When fuel costs spiraled out of control in rural Alaska, instead of focusing on suggestions to help rural residents weatherize their homes or develop small-scale renewable energy sources, Palin wrote every Alaskan a second check for $1,200.

The downside of that dependency is that it's sometimes hard to distinguish the state government in Juneau from the energy companies that it regulates. The state's elected officials have always worked closely with oil companies--at times, too closely. In the late 1950s, bureaucrats actually hired an oil-industry lawyer--with the big oil companies paying his expenses--to write the new state's oil and gas lease laws. Palin's populist approach was the perfect complement to rising public discontent with Big Oil, and it was the main engine of her remarkable rise from small-town mayor to a place on the Republican national ticket.

After Palin lost the race for lieutenant governor in 2002, then GOP governor Frank Murkowski rewarded her strong campaign by appointing her chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, an obscure but important board that regulates oil-field production. In her short tenure, she gained attention not for her grasp of technical detail but for making public ethics accusations against a fellow board member who happened to be chairman of the state Republican Party. She resigned in protest, leaving the $122,400 job after a year. (He was later fined for, among other things, sending confidential information to an industry lobbyist.) But Palin emerged with the image of a bold reformer in a state where the interests of Big Oil and politicians had seemed inseparable.

By 2005, Scott Heyworth was back in Wasilla, eating pancakes in the mayor's breakfast room next to her husband Todd as they discussed her plans to run for governor. Palin was weighing whether to run as an Independent or a Republican, Heyworth recalls. His ballot initiative had passed in 2002, and he was in a good position to help either way. He organized a Palin fund raiser and turned over the names of 42,000 voters, largely independents who had signed his petitions.

Heyworth saw in Palin a potential ally against Murkowski, who was negotiating behind the scenes with major gas producers to build a pipeline across Canada--a move that critics feared would give too much away. Palin doubled down on her support for her friend's "all-Alaska gas line," and she soon appeared in full-page newspaper ads across the state, standing between a pair of popular former GOP governors who were also wary of Murkowski's ties to the Big Three. "There was Sarah Palin running with the big dogs," recalls John Bitney, a longtime GOP operative in the state. "It elevated her in stature."

Then Palin saw her opening. In October 2005, Murkowski fired natural resources commissioner Tom Irwin, a well-liked "unreconstructed miner," as one political observer calls him, for opposing concessions won by producers on the gas pipeline. Immediately, six of Irwin's top aides walked out in solidarity. The mass exodus created a firestorm, with editorial writers and politicians extolling the "Magnificent Seven" and calling the mass resignations the "Thursday-afternoon massacre."

Palin sounds like a politician - the Alaskan version of Tom Delay.
 
  • #538
Analysis: Palin's words may backfire on McCain
AP - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/ap_on_el_pr/palin_s_words_analysis_5
By claiming that Democrat Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists" and doesn't see the U.S. like other Americans, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted key goals for a faltering campaign.

And though she may have scored a political hit each time, her attack was unsubstantiated and carried a racially tinged subtext that John McCain himself may come to regret.

First, Palin's attack shows that her energetic debate with rival Joe Biden may be just the beginning, not the end, of a sharpened role in the battle to win the presidency.

"Our opponent ... is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country," Palin told a group of donors in Englewood, Colo. A deliberate attempt to smear Obama, McCain's ticket-mate echoed the line at three separate events Saturday.

"This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America," she said. "We see America as a force of good in this world. We see an America of exceptionalism."

Her reference to Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were "pals" or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.
 
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  • #539
Astronuc said:
Palin sounds like a politician - the Alaskan version of Tom Delay.

I think she has more Huey Long in her myself.
 
  • #540
Astronuc said:
Analysis: Palin's words may backfire on McCain

I think so. The charge is specious and without merit, but that hasn't stopped them. They also keep repeating that Franklin Raines of Fannie Mae has been an Obama adviser, despite denials from Raines and Obama Campaign. It seems that the sole basis for the claim is that Raines dropped by the Senator's office when he wasn't even in.

It is notable that she has been making these charges behind closed doors at fund raisers where cameras are not allowed. It looks to be a totally conscious and duplicitous strategy aimed apparently at smearing Obama without regard to the Truth. The surrogates and talking heads have struck up the same themes, and interject these same names and try the same smears, despite each time they are beaten down.

The fact that they are not talking actual policy, but relying on mud to elevate their numbers, seems to be a tactic that can't sustain itself for long. That they have reduced themselves to throwing rocks, means they must be simply out of bullets.
 
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Palin said:
"This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America," she said.

This is apparently the code of a renewed appeal to Racism when Palin is delivering these lines to mostly all white audiences.

I think these strategists are despicable practicing the politics of division at a time when the nation as a whole will be making sacrifices. McCain should be ashamed that he has allowed his ambition to outstrip whatever his sense of honor once may have been.
 
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Obama should call his campaign bus or plane the "Honor-Mobile".
 
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Palin persists in spreading the lie. I think this is a really bad strategy.
AP said:
Palin defends terrorist comment against Obama
By JIM KUHNHENN Associated Press Writer

Oct 5th, 2008 | LONG BEACH, Calif. -- Sarah Palin is defending her attack on Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama after accusing him of "palling around with terrorists."

The Republican vice presidential nominee on Sunday said it was legitimate to raise Obama's association with 1960s radical Bill Ayers. Ayers and Obama are acquainted, but the charge that they "pal around" is unsubstantiated.

"The comments are about an association that has been known but hasn't been talked about," she said. "It's important to talk about how Barack Obama kicked off his political career in the guy's living room."
 
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And imagine that these were the same people yipping about using the phrase "lipstick on a pig".
 
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Bush/Palin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svp64jfGZEQ
 
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LowlyPion said:
Palin persists in spreading the lie. I think this is a really bad strategy.

It is a great strategy is you want Obama to win. I hope they stick with it.

It's the economy, stupid!
- Bill Clinton.
 
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I keep thinking of this. ...can't imagine why.
 
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Something I haven't seen mentioned here yet was the blunder Palin made when she was asked about her foreign affairs credentials.

She claimed to have had a meeting with the UK's American ambassador Sir Nigel Sheinwald in July but following a complaint from Sir Nigel, as the meeting never took place, she was forced to apologise to him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...sh-ambassador-took-place-TV-debate-looms.html
 
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Art said:
Something I haven't seen mentioned here yet was the blunder Palin made when she was asked about her foreign affairs credentials.

She claimed to have had a meeting with the UK's American ambassador Sir Nigel Sheinwald in July but following a complaint from Sir Nigel, as the meeting never took place, she was forced to apologise to him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...sh-ambassador-took-place-TV-debate-looms.html
So they took the entire guest list and claimed she had a meeting with all of them? What a fraud!
 
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