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The upcoming debate between Sarah Palin and Joe Biden is anticipated to showcase a significant disparity in their debate skills, with many expecting Biden to dominate. Palin's reputation for using vague generalities and rehearsed lines may hinder her ability to engage effectively with Biden, who is seen as articulate and well-prepared. Observers believe that while Biden should maintain composure and let Palin expose her weaknesses, there is a risk he could become overly aggressive or make a gaffe. Despite low expectations for Palin, some argue that her performance may resonate with her base, complicating the narrative of the debate. Overall, the debate is viewed as a critical moment that could impact the McCain-Palin campaign significantly.
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I have obtained a transcript of tonight's debate, a portion of which I divulge below:

Ifill: What's 2 + 2.
Palin: 5. America is doing the right thing by promoting democracy around the world. Our economy will recover and all will be well.
Biden: 4: America is a lousy country that invades weaker ones. The economy is doomed, doomed I tell you.

Palin wins it 5 to 4.
 
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Lieberman: Palin should avoid 'IQ test'

Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman thinks that in order for Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to beat her Democratic rival, Sen. Joe Biden, in tonight’s debate, she needs to keep it from turning into an “IQ test.”
Absolutely, we surely don't want a VP, someone that has a good chance of being instantly thrown into the role of President of one of the world's super powers to actually have an inkling about government on a national level, much less an understanding of the world. :eek:

“Whether she can answer every detailed question, I don't think that ultimately matters to the American people,” the Connecticut senator added. “She doesn't know every detail, all the questions senators deal with, but, frankly, that's her strength.”
Her strength is that she doesn't know? :confused:

“I think the point is, who is she as a person? I think that's what people are ultimately looking for,” Lieberman said.
Unfortunately, he's probably right that there are millions of clueless Americans that wouldn't even know if her answers are correct. :frown:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081002/pl_politico/14224;_ylt=AkgaQbVSDmaNhkTgGC7SBafCw5R4

I wonder how much, if anything, she knows about how the government is set up? It's not something she'd have any knowledge about as a mayor of a small town with a population equivalent to a large city neighborhood. Not even something she'd need to know to get elected as Governor of Alaska. It is something the Vice-President should know, however.

It's too depressing to even think about.
 
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  • #33
Ahahaha, there is a VP Debate drinking game. You take a drink -

If Palin:
• invokes McCain's POW history
• mentions her husband or any of her children by name (make it a double if she says "Track in Iraq").
• says any of the following: "pitbull," "lipstick," "hockey mom," "Joe Six-Pack," "maverick," "barracuda," "glass ceiling," or "plagiarism."
• says "gosh," "gee," "golly," "darn," "heck" or any other homespun curse euphemism.
• evades answering a question. (this one alone guarantees anyone playing will get blind drunk)
• cries poverty.
• is actually carrying a firearm.
• cites Russia's proximity to Alaska or talks about her great love for the state of Israel in response to a question about foreign policy (been there, done that!).
• mentions by name any animal species native to her home state.
• is wearing a suit that costs more than her plane.
 
  • #34
Art said:
Don't get me wrong. I hope you are proven right, but having watched the US electorate twice elect a complete moron to the job of president I expect the worst these days.

I am expecting the worst on November 2008. That's why every american who knows enough about the country's situation should register to vote, and more importantly VOTE!.
 
  • #35
Evo said:
Ahahaha, there is a VP Debate drinking game. You take a drink -

If Palin:
• invokes McCain's POW history
• mentions her husband or any of her children by name (make it a double if she says "Track in Iraq").
• says any of the following: "pitbull," "lipstick," "hockey mom," "Joe Six-Pack," "maverick," "barracuda," "glass ceiling," or "plagiarism."
• says "gosh," "gee," "golly," "darn," "heck" or any other homespun curse euphemism.
• evades answering a question. (this one alone guarantees anyone playing will get blind drunk)
• cries poverty.
• is actually carrying a firearm.
• cites Russia's proximity to Alaska or talks about her great love for the state of Israel in response to a question about foreign policy (been there, done that!).
• mentions by name any animal species native to her home state.
• is wearing a suit that costs more than her plane.

NNOOOOO! Evo, people are going to die tonight, from alcohol poisoning!

...Track in Iraq and Trig in the crib...heeheee...
 
  • #36
Evo said:
Absolutely, we surely don't want a VP, someone that has a good chance of being instantly thrown into the role of President ...

I hope the Democrats win a super majority in the Senate and boot Lieberman out of the party. He has been such a McCain lap dog this election. I've lost total respect for him.
 
  • #37
lisab said:
NNOOOOO! Evo, people are going to die tonight, from alcohol poisoning!

...Track in Iraq and Trig in the crib...heeheee...

says "gosh," "gee," "golly," "darn," "heck" or any other homespun curse euphemism.

Might as well start with the stomach pump already in place.
 
  • #38
Evo said:
• evades answering a question. (this one alone guarantees anyone playing will get blind drunk)

You can't have that rule in any political discussion/debate/speech.

Evo said:
• cites Russia's proximity to Alaska or talks about her great love for the state of Israel in response to a question about foreign policy (been there, done that!).

LOL.. 'I can see Russia from my house!'

Shame it's on so late on a school night, I won't be able to watch. Still, it'll make for interesting morning viewing (supposing I can find it online somewhere.. I guess the BBC will record it and keep it on their website).
 
  • #39
cristo said:
Shame it's on so late on a school night, I won't be able to watch. Still, it'll make for interesting morning viewing (supposing I can find it online somewhere.. I guess the BBC will record it and keep it on their website).
I'm just hoping that my blood pressure doesn't get too high during the debate. I read that Palin's tactic tonight will be to dredge up ancient history where Biden and Obama differed, like that has any meaning today, or that it's even a bad thing. I'm sure I will be screaming at the tv tonight, reminiscent of Chevy Chase and Jane Curtin on SNL "Jane, you ignorant slut". Can I say that? It was ok with tv censors eons ago.

Or maybe Palin is more like Roseanne Roseannadanna. Where she'd go off on some pointless tirade based on a misunderstanding. "Nevermind".
 
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CHOOOOooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
  • #41
clack clack, clack clack, CHOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW

(That is the sound of a train about to de-rail)
 
  • #42
Palin isn't a fan of keeping up with the news:


And even Hasselback -- the view -- thought it was ridiculous she couldn't name a supreme court case besides roe v. wade she disagreed with.

Still, I don't think she'll blow it. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking they'll say after the debate that she held herself well, and that she won't be "destroyed."
 
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  • #43
Did she just wink? Wow.. that's the sort of thing to expect from a used car salesperson!

Oh my god.. she's an idiot! Please, America, don't vote her into office!
 
  • #44
BUWAHAHA, only 5 minutes into the debate and she already said "joe six pack and hockey moms" in the same breath. She's absolutely horrible. What's with the winks and the hand waving??
 
  • #45
If anyone is playing the drinking game, they can no longer read this thread ... and we are only 12 minutes in.
 
  • #46
LowlyPion said:
If anyone is playing the drinking game, they can no longer read this thread ... and we are only 12 minutes in.
It's surreal, what is with all these ridiculous cutesy facial expressions? This isn't a beauty pageant, this is serious, or should be.
 
  • #47
She's running off the rails "toxic mess on Main street that affects Wall Street" ??
 
  • #48
I think she should talk about her energy expertise some more:rolleyes:
 
  • #49
She delivered all without facts..

Biden turn: now let's look at the facts

:smile:
 
  • #50
Evo said:
It's surreal, what is with all these ridiculous cutesy facial expressions? This isn't a beauty pageant, this is serious, or should be.

She's self destructing. No one told her to slow down. The more she says the worse for her. She looks scattered, evasive, at 35 minutes in it looks like it's over.
 
  • #51
I didn't realize both parties were against gay marriage: that's stuck in the dark ages a little, isn't it?:smile: :smile: That last answer was great... Palin talking about their 'plan' on Iraq.. Biden: "Well, with all due respect, I didn't hear a plan there."
 
  • #52
cristo said:
I didn't realize both parties were against gay marriage: that's stuck in the dark ages a little, isn't it?
This is a religious thing here in the US. Palin was going off on a tangent suggesting that by Obama and Biden supporting same sex couples rights they were redefining what marriage is.

:smile: Palin NUCULER :smile:
 
  • #53
9:48 Palin has just said nukyular 5 times in about 10 seconds while spewing crap about Iran and Pakistan... ugh
 
  • #54
Oh bad Biden, he said McCain refused to sit down in discussions with Spain, not true! McCain wasn't sure that we had diplomatic ties to Spain, it being in Latin America.
 
  • #55
Maverick? take another drink!... :smile:
 
  • #56
Evo said:
Oh bad Biden, he said McCain refused to sit down in discussions with Spain, not true! McCain wasn't sure that we had diplomatic ties to Spain, it being in Latin America.

Only a half hour to go. 1 minor gaffe isn't the worst that could have happened.
 
  • #57
Nukylur over and over again...
 
  • #58
She couldn't sound coherent in a sit down with reporters, but here she's getting by? Something's up.
 
  • #59
Cyclovenom said:
Maverick? take another drink!... :smile:

You can't be still playing the game ... your blood alcohol would be about 20% by now.
 
  • #60
Palin has certainly been rehearsed. Her delivery is smooth, but she is short on facts - but long on empty rhetoric.


For example - She still misrepresents McCain on the current financial crisis. McCain did not seen any of this coming!

McCain's 'warning' on Fannie & Freddie?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/sep/17/mccains-warning-fannie-and-freddie/
SUMMARY: McCain spoke up after a widely read report drew attention to chicanery at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but it’s a huge stretch to suggest he could have somehow averted the current crisis.

The turmoil on Wall Street is prompting the presidential candidates to offer prescriptions for restoring order to U.S. financial markets. John McCain is using the opportunity to remind voters that he called on Congress to crack down on government-chartered mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Appearing on CNN’s American Morning on Sept. 16, 2008, McCain sought to blame much of the crisis on Wall Street greed and inept or corrupt government regulators. “Ask any American citizen who has been the victim of a bureaucrat or a bureaucracy,” McCain said. “I said two years ago that the Fannie and Freddie thing was a very serious problem and we had to work on it. And I have always opposed greed of Wall Street and I know how we can fix this.”

McCain echoed his remarks later in the day during a speech in Tampa, saying, “Two years ago, I warned the administration and the Congress that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac needed to be fixed. It turns out, the problem was even bigger. They waited too long, and now we have a housing crisis, three bailouts with taxpayers’ money, and a financial crisis.”

In both appearances, McCain was referring to his 2006 decision to sign on to a Republican-led regulatory overhaul of the mortgage-financing firms, which both went through multibillion-dollar accounting scandals earlier in the decade. The occasion that prompted McCain’s involvement was the release of a 340-page report from the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight that concluded that Fannie Mae had manipulated earnings and violated basic accounting principles. It describes an “arrogant and unethical corporate culture” in which executives were more concerned about their bonuses than meeting the company’s housing mission.

The findings, based on a 27-month investigation and resulting in a $400-million fine paid to the government, prompted McCain to join other critics and call for more scrutiny of Fannie and its sibling, Freddie Mac. “If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole,” McCain declared in a May 26, 2006, news release.

So it’s true that McCain spoke out — after a widely read report drew attention to chicanery at the firms. But the implication in McCain's remarks is that his remarks in 2006 were in some way a warning about the financial markets disaster that struck in 2008. That strikes us as quite a stretch.

First of all, congressional efforts to increase oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac extend back to the early 1990s, making McCain a latecomer to the debate. The regulatory efforts proved unsuccessful because of Congress’ complicated relationship with the firms, whose dominance in the home financing market makes their stability critical to the economy.

Even if the 2006 effort to strengthen oversight had succeeded, it’s debatable whether it would have averted the subprime crisis. The extent of the problems was not yet fully known, and it’s a leap of faith to suggest that regulators granted expanded power would have noticed a deterioration in Fannie and Freddie’s loan portfolios soon enough and would have sounded an alarm. . . .
 

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