News Sarah Palin: Will She Run for President in 2012?

[Gokul43201]

I think your proposition is right (if not the full characterization). If there were three, four Fox News (news, not the polemic side) like networks, wire services, and news magazines; or even a C-Span like thing that somehow scaled up with a large following, I speculate Limbaugh et al would fade away.

If there is a big untapped demand for moderate right leaning views in the form of a news+opinion outlet, what's stopping the market from filling that need? I think the distribution of the services that are provided offer a reflection of the distribution of what the market wants. Even within Fox, for instance, more moderate hosts like Brett Baier, Greta and Shep Smith never rake in viewership of the size that Beck, O'Reilly and Hannity do.

The 'reaction to media' theory also explains why there's little or no left wing radio - nothing to react to until Fox (polemic side).

Or maybe there isn't much of a market for extreme left-wing wackiness? Maybe the left wing market feels perfectly served by the moderate leftward lean of TV news as it exists today.

 

[mheslep]

If there is a big untapped demand for moderate right leaning views in the form of a news+opinion outlet, what's stopping the market from filling that need? I think the distribution of the services that are provided offer a reflection of the distribution of what the market wants. Even within Fox, for instance, more moderate hosts like Brett Baier, Greta and Shep Smith never rake in viewership of the size that Beck, O'Reilly and Hannity do.

<shrug> Different beasts. Nor do they rake in as much as Superbowl or World Series.

Or maybe there isn't much of a market for extreme left-wing wackiness? Maybe the left wing market feels perfectly served by the moderate leftward lean of TV news as it exists today.

Yes, exactly my point: no market because there's little to react to. Move ABC-CBS-NBC-CNN, NYT, WaPo, and the wire services all hard to the right and we'd have such a left wing market. I submit the MSNBC polemic side is already such a reaction (left wing wacky) to Fox.

 

[TMFKAN64]

I'm still confused about Alaskans sporting spray tans.

Have you ever tried to get a tan in Alaska?

 

[edward]

Short and to the point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TNVB3SgyX8

 

[CAC1001]

I submit the MSNBC polemic side is already such a reaction (left wing wacky) to Fox.

I think I had heard somewhere that MSNBC wanted to position itself as the "anti-Fox," and since they view Fox as the right-wing news network, they wanted to be the left-wing news network.

 

[CAC1001]

Some differences:
(i) Diane Rehm very often (almost always?) has a conservative guest whenever she has a liberal guest, and
(ii) she doesn't yell at or insult any of her guests (though I, like you, often do, while listening), no matter how poorly thought-out their opinions may be.

Personally, I think I'd take Diane Rehm over someone that agrees exactly with my positions, but chooses to be an incorrigible jackass on air.

Ugh! This is going off-topic. I'll stop with that.

One thing on Limbaugh, remember that his show is not for just hard information, it is what is called "Infotainment," so the yelling and such at guests is just part of it.

 

[Loremaster]

Palin 2012? What a scary thought.

I personally can't wait for the Amendments of the Constitution to be replaced with such gems as Leviticus and Deuteronomy, and for my children to be taught that dinosaurs are only 6,000 years old. If you want my overall opinion on what I think of this grade A moron, see what Bill Maher has to say about her.

Why is this woman running for President of the United States? It makes no logical sense whatsoever. Her husband was/is an Alaskan secessionist, for crying out loud.

 

[_Tully]

I don't understand how someone that resigned as a Governor is even considered a potential presidential candidate.

 

[WhoWee]

Palin 2012? What a scary thought.

I personally can't wait for the Amendments of the Constitution to be replaced with such gems as Leviticus and Deuteronomy, and for my children to be taught that dinosaurs are only 6,000 years old. If you want my overall opinion on what I think of this grade A moron, see what Bill Maher has to say about her.

Why is this woman running for President of the United States? It makes no logical sense whatsoever. Her husband was/is an Alaskan secessionist, for crying out loud.

Hello "Loremaster" welcome to PF. Please support your comments. For instance, a link for a direct quote from Sarah Palin (?) or even the statement from Bill Maher that you referenced?

 

[WhoWee]

I don't understand how someone that resigned as a Governor is even considered a potential presidential candidate.

How did you feel about a fresman Senator running for President in the second year of his term?

 

[Evo]

Hello "Loremaster" welcome to PF. Please support your comments. For instance, a link for a direct quote from Sarah Palin (?) or even the statement from Bill Maher that you referenced?

He didn't quote Palin. Also, personal opinions don't require support.

A link to the Bill Maher part would be good since we don't know what that is.

 

[Evo]

How did you feel about a fresman Senator running for President in the second year of his term?

Did he quit politics to sign a book deal, get a tv commentary deal, and a reality tv series before running?

 

[WhoWee]

Did he quit politics to sign a book deal, get a tv commentary deal, and a reality tv series before running?

No, but he also didn't commit 100% of his efforts to representing the people that elected him in Illinois.

 

[_Tully]

How did you feel about a fresman Senator running for President in the second year of his term?

Failing at something you have committed to is more telling than committing to something and succeeding, even if I don't agree with it. I don't support either of the people in question, but the former is just extra-special-nutty to me.

 

[WhoWee]

He didn't quote Palin. Also, personal opinions don't require support.

A link to the Bill Maher part would be good since we don't know what that is.

He posted "Palin 2012? What a scary thought.

I personally can't wait for the Amendments of the Constitution to be replaced with such gems as Leviticus and Deuteronomy, and for my children to be taught that dinosaurs are only 6,000 years old."

It appeared to me that he was suggesting that Palin would support these things - I requested a link to support. I don't see an opinion label in this statement.

He/she needs to read the rules - IMO.

 

[_Tully]

He posted "Palin 2012? What a scary thought.

I personally can't wait for the Amendments of the Constitution to be replaced with such gems as Leviticus and Deuteronomy, and for my children to be taught that dinosaurs are only 6,000 years old."

It appeared to me that he was suggesting that Palin would support these things - I requested a link to support. I don't see an opinion label in this statement.

He/she needs to read the rules - IMO.

http://www.adn.com/2006/10/27/217111/creation-science-enters-the-race.html

It sounds harmless, 'Just let them discuss it if they want to, no harm.' That is how these things start though.

 

[WhoWee]

http://www.adn.com/2006/10/27/217111/creation-science-enters-the-race.html

It sounds harmless, 'Just let them discuss it if they want to, no harm.' That is how these things start though.

Your post does not specifically support the original comment.

 

[_Tully]

Your post does not specifically support the original comment.

Well of course not, the original comment was a frustrated exaggeration, I imagine?

 

[Evo]

He posted "Palin 2012? What a scary thought.

I personally can't wait for the Amendments of the Constitution to be replaced with such gems as Leviticus and Deuteronomy, and for my children to be taught that dinosaurs are only 6,000 years old."

It appeared to me that he was suggesting that Palin would support these things - I requested a link to support. I don't see an opinion label in this statement.

He/she needs to read the rules - IMO.

You seem to be reading something that's not there. He says "personally".

 

[WhoWee]

You seem to be reading something that's not there. He says "personally".

Ok, I guess we are all in agreement that Palin didn't make these statements - it was just the personal opinion of the new PF member.

 

[Evo]

Ok, I guess we are all in agreement that Palin didn't make these statements - it was just the personal opinion of the new PF member.

Yes, and not making those "exact" statements doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with Palin's views on religion through politics, IMO.

 

[_Tully]

If she had made those exact arguments, there would be nothing to fear because almost no one would take that seriously, or promote it to any sort of success (thus being useless not only in converting people to 'her' ideas, but also as a tool for those who hold those ideals).

On the other hand this 'soft' and 'unbiased' view should be taken as religious espionage, with all of it's poison (maybe kool-aid is a more apt analogy, heh) seeping it's way into our (public) schools.

 

[turbo]

In the 2006 governor's race, Palin said that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in public schools. Due perhaps to the cautious nature of espousing such nonsense in public, she couched her statement in terms of fairness and open-mindedness, so we don't know if she was a young-Earther back then (6000 years ago, men and dinosaurs roamed the Earth) or if she just rejects the Darwinist theory of common ancestry. Frankly, I doubt that she's educated enough to be able to tell the difference.

The thought that somebody would urge the Alaskan air-head to run for President is a sign of their incompetence as much as of hers. I want a President who can think critically, is aware of issues, and knows how and from whom to get guidance when an issue is too complex or when (s)he lacks the background to come up to speed quickly enough to make decisions. We are all affected by the actions of our President, and frankly, I want the best, most competent individual we can agree on in that position. When McCain chose Palin, he lost my support immediately, and that of many Independents, I believe. McCain blew it - he could be President today had he chosen an old-style conservative as running-mate. When you're old and have had many bouts with cancer, people start looking at your VP pick pretty closely.

 

[WhoWee]

If she had made those exact arguments, there would be nothing to fear because almost no one would take that seriously, or promote it to any sort of success (thus being useless not only in converting people to 'her' ideas, but also as a tool for those who hold those ideals).

On the other hand this 'soft' and 'unbiased' view should be taken as religious espionage, with all of it's poison (maybe kool-aid is a more apt analogy, heh) seeping it's way into our (public) schools.

Can you elaborate - may offer a little support as well?

 

[WhoWee]

In the 2006 governor's race, Palin said that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in public schools. Due perhaps to the cautious nature of espousing such nonsense in public, she couched her statement in terms of fairness and open-mindedness, so we don't know if she was a young-Earther back then (6000 years ago, men and dinosaurs roamed the Earth) or if she just rejects the Darwinist theory of common ancestry. Frankly, I doubt that she's educated enough to be able to tell the difference.

You are correct, we don't know - this entire conversation is based on supposition - as so far nobody has found a link where she's talking about donosaurs 6,000 years ago.

 

[_Tully]

Can you elaborate - may offer a little support as well?

Not really, it's just an opinion. I am extremely biased on this one.

 

[WhoWee]

Not really, it's just an opinion. I am extremely biased on this one.

You might also want to read the rules.

 

[_Tully]

You might also want to read the rules.

I think it was clear my post was an opinion and not a fact, and my last post ("it's just an opinion") should have cleared that up, if it was foggy, hah.

 

[WhoWee]

I think it was clear my post was an opinion and not a fact, and my last post ("it's just an opinion") should have cleared that up, if it was foggy, hah.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=414380

 

[Evo]

Not really, it's just an opinion. I am extremely biased on this one.

You might also want to read the rules.

What, this rule?

4) When stating an opinion on an issue, make sure it is clearly stated to be an opinion and not asserted as fact.

So using "IMO", "I personally believe", "in my opinion", etc... are all fine.

Only opinions stated as fact require backup. This would be "Palin said she went to the moon". It would not be "I personally believe that Palin said she went to the moon" The first sentence is stating a fact, the second is stating an opinion.