How to correctly redraw a circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the process of redrawing a circuit diagram, specifically focusing on the configuration of voltage sources and diodes. Participants explore the implications of grounding components, the concept of forward and reverse bias in diodes, and the simplification of the circuit based on the parallel arrangement of voltage sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of grounding the diodes and suggests that all 5V sources could be combined into a single source.
  • Another participant proposes that the circuit can be simplified by using one 5V voltage source instead of multiple sources.
  • There is uncertainty about whether the diodes should be grounded, with one participant stating that grounding is only necessary if connected to a ground symbol.
  • Participants discuss the conditions under which diodes are forward or reverse biased, with differing opinions on whether diodes can conduct in reverse bias, particularly in the case of Zener diodes.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of analyzing the circuit by imagining the diode conducting and checking if the voltages confirm this assumption.
  • There is a clarification about the output voltage (Vo) when both voltage sources are at 5V, with conflicting views on whether the diodes would be reverse biased and whether Vo would equal 5V.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the grounding of diodes, the simplification of the circuit, and the behavior of diodes under different voltage conditions. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for careful consideration of circuit connections and voltage levels, indicating that assumptions about the circuit's configuration may lead to different interpretations of diode behavior.

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Homework Statement



Redraw the following circuit:

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Homework Equations



Identifying nodes and drawing skills maybe :S

The Attempt at a Solution



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Redraw the circuit as what?
Why can't all the 5V blobs get joined together so you only need one battery?
Shouldn't the back-end of each diode be earthed?
What was your question?
 
Your attempt looks good. But you can simplify this circuit further. Notice that all voltage source are 5V.
So you can use one 5V voltage source on your diagram.
 
Simon Bridge:

I don't know whether I should ground the diodes or not. Anyway, the original question was: "Determine whether the diodes are forward biased or reverse biased if: 1) V1=V2=5V 2) V1=5V, V2=0V 3) V1=V2=0V "

Jony130:

I missed that, the all three sources are in parallel, can I put one source in place of V1?
 
I don't know whether I should ground the diodes or not.
You ground the diode if one end of the diode is connected to a "ground" symbol on the diagram - go look!

This is an exercise in reading a circuit diagram.
If you are having trouble telling if two components are connected or not, run your finger along a "wire" line.

... all three sources are in parallel, can I put one source in place of V1?
V1 is already one source.
The 3 sources you drew in your modified diagram are not in parallel with each other - they have other components with them. Go back to the original diagram. You can draw a line connecting all parts of the diagram that are held at the same voltage ... try it for all the +5V dots. That line has to be held at +5V - how do you do that?

Anyway, the original question was: "Determine whether the diodes are forward biased or reverse biased if: 1) V1=V2=5V 2) V1=5V, V2=0V 3) V1=V2=0V "
Then why are you bothering with redrawing the diagram?

What does it mean to forward or reverse bias a diode?
 
Okaaay. I understand now, looks like I have to basics at all. :S

Simon Bridge said:
Then why are you bothering with redrawing the diagram?

What does it mean to forward or reverse bias a diode?

I want to evaluate Vo in case V1=V2=0.

Forward bias means there's a current flowing and reverse bias means there isn't any current.
 
JasonHathaway said:
I want to evaluate Vo in case V1=V2=0.
You do not need to redraw the diagram to do that.

Forward bias means there's a current flowing and reverse bias means there isn't any current.
No. Diodes may conduct when reverse biased. Some, like Zener diodes, do this at low voltages.

Treat the symbol for a diode as an arrow.
Compare the voltages on each side of the diode symbol.
Current flows from higher voltage to lower voltage.
If the current is in the same direction as the arrow, then the diode is "forward biased".
 
JasonHathaway said:
I don't know whether I should ground the diodes or not. Anyway, the original question was: "Determine whether the diodes are forward biased or reverse biased if: 1) V1=V2=5V 2) V1=5V, V2=0V 3) V1=V2=0V "
The original schematic is the clearest, stay with it :wink:

Vo appears to be the diodes' anode voltage. That is a poorly-drawn arrow, not a connection to ground! Erase the arrow, and focus on that schematic.

The approach to analyzing circuits with diodes is to, in turn, imgine this diode is conducting in this direction...That means current must be flowing along this path, and the voltages along this branch will be .. Do these voltage levels confirm the initial assumption that the diode is conducting? Yes/no. If not, then the assumption that that diode is conducting must be wrong.

For circuits with multiple diodes, it's a trial-and-error technique until you become adept at it.
 
Ok, I just to make sure of something. When V1=V2=5V, the two diodes are reverse biased, then Vo would be 5V, isn't?
 
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JasonHathaway said:
Ok, I just to make sure of something. When V1=V2=5V, the two diodes are reverse biased, then Vo would be 5V, isn't?
You're renaming the voltage sources now, are you? :confused:

Anyway, if all 3 voltage sources are +5V then the output will be +5V. But in this state the diodes won't be reverse-biased; neither will they be forward-biased. With identical potential on each side, a diode won't be biased at all! It won't be conducting current, either, because across the diode there is no voltage difference to push current along.

I'm assuming that black line at Vo does not denote a connection to ground
 

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