Postion -> Velocity -> Acceleration -> Jerk ->?

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The discussion explores the derivatives of position, specifically focusing on the fourth derivative, known as "snap" or "jounce," and its practical applications. Participants note that higher derivatives, such as the fifth and sixth, can also be defined, with humorous names like "crackle" and "pop." The conversation highlights that while these higher derivatives may not be commonly used, they can be relevant in analyzing systems like harmonic functions, such as pendulums. Additionally, derivatives of order four and five can assist in identifying maximum and minimum accelerations. Overall, the topic delves into the mathematical curiosity surrounding higher-order derivatives and their potential applications.
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We all know that, assuming x(t) = position as a function of time, then:

x'(t) = v(t) = velocity
x''(t) = v'(t) = a(t) = acceleration
x'''(t) = v''(t) = a'(t) = j(t) = jerk (assuming j is the symbol for jerk).

But what does x''''(t) = j'(t) come out to be? Is there a fourth derivative of position? And if so, is it ever practically used?

What about fifth, sixth, seventh, etc derivatives?

This is just something I've been extremely curious about since I learned of the third derivative, jerk (or jolt).

Thanks!
 
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The term ¨x¨[d4x/dt4 is the time derivative of the jerk,
which might be called a ‘‘spasm.’’ It has also been called a
‘‘jounce,’’ a ‘‘sprite,’’ a ‘‘surge,’’ or a ‘‘snap,’’ with its successive
derivatives, ‘‘crackle’’ and ‘‘pop.’’

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pubs/paper229.pdf

'snap', 'crackle' and 'pop'...:smile:
 
Haha that's funny.

Does anyone happen to have a position/time graph in which you'd be able to calculate something like the fifth or sixth derivative of x? Would these ever even be needed? Hah.
 
Anything that is a harmonic function, like say a pendulum, will have a non zero nth order x^n derivative thing.

say, x = Sin(t)
 
Derivatives of order 4 & 5 can be used to find and classify the maximum/minimum accelerations, for example.
 
For simple comparison, I think the same thought process can be followed as a block slides down a hill, - for block down hill, simple starting PE of mgh to final max KE 0.5mv^2 - comparing PE1 to max KE2 would result in finding the work friction did through the process. efficiency is just 100*KE2/PE1. If a mousetrap car travels along a flat surface, a starting PE of 0.5 k th^2 can be measured and maximum velocity of the car can also be measured. If energy efficiency is defined by...

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