Help with Step Response of an RC circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the voltage and current equations for the step response of an RC circuit. Participants explore the application of Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) in a hypothetical RC circuit configuration, specifically focusing on the implications of using a current source versus a voltage source.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an attempt to derive equations using KCL, leading to a differential equation for the voltage across the capacitor, Vc(t).
  • Another participant questions the notation of the source current, i(s), suggesting it could be misinterpreted as a function of complex frequency.
  • Clarification is provided that i(s) refers to the source current, Is, rather than a function of s.
  • There is confusion regarding the circuit configuration, with some participants indicating that the traditional RC circuit is typically series rather than parallel.
  • A participant offers to share a sketch of their work to clarify the circuit setup and calculations.
  • Another participant acknowledges the correctness of the initial equation derived and suggests differentiating the proposed solution to verify it against the differential equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the circuit configuration (parallel vs. series) and the appropriate notation for the source current. There is no consensus on the best approach to proceed with the derivation, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on whether to use a current source or a voltage source for the problem, and there is uncertainty regarding the implications of the circuit configuration on the derivation process.

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Homework Statement


Derive the Voltage and Current equations for Step Response of an RC circuit.


Homework Equations


End products will be Vc(t) = i(s)R + (Vo - i(s)R)e^(-t/RC) and i(t) = (Is - (Vo/R))e^(-t/RC)


The Attempt at a Solution


Using KCL on a hypotetical RC circuit with a current source in parallel with a resistor, which is parallel to a capacitor, I end up with i(R)+i(c)=i(s) which converts to (V(c)/R) + C(dv/dt) = i(s). After rearranging I get (V(c)/RC) + (d(v)/d(t)) = (i(s)/C) then (d(v)/d(t)) = (i(s)/C) - (V(c)/RC). I am now stumped as to how to procede. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks!
 
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stau40 said:

Homework Statement


Derive the Voltage and Current equations for Step Response of an RC circuit.


Homework Equations


End products will be Vc(t) = i(s)R + (Vo - i(s)R)e^(-t/RC) and i(t) = (Is - (Vo/R))e^(-t/RC)


The Attempt at a Solution


Using KCL on a hypotetical RC circuit with a current source in parallel with a resistor, which is parallel to a capacitor, I end up with i(R)+i(c)=i(s) which converts to (V(c)/R) + C(dv/dt) = i(s). After rearranging I get (V(c)/RC) + (d(v)/d(t)) = (i(s)/C) then (d(v)/d(t)) = (i(s)/C) - (V(c)/RC). I am now stumped as to how to procede. Anybody have any ideas? Thanks!

What's i(s)?

I don't think you need to include any source resistance in the problem (if you use a voltage source to drive the RC with the voltage step input). Does the problem tell you to use a current source as the excitation?
 
The problem doesn't say to use it, but our teacher started us off using a current source in the circuit rather then a voltage source so I continued to use thru the calculations.
 
But what is i(s)? The source current Is, or some current that is a function of the complex frequency s?
 
I(s) is the source current.
 
stau40 said:
I(s) is the source current.

Ok, then you sould probably write it as Is or I_s

Putting parens around it like that makes it look like "I as a function of s".

Anyway, I just re-read your first post, and you are saying that this is a parallel RC? Sorry, I'm confused now. Could you maybe post a sketch?

Using KCL on a hypotetical RC circuit with a current source in parallel with a resistor, which is parallel to a capacitor,

Usually the RC circuit would be a series RC circuit, driven by a step source.
 
I have attached a copy of my work including a picture of the circuit. I have been trying different methods so a good part of the attached isn't relevant.
 

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stau40 said:
I have attached a copy of my work including a picture of the circuit. I have been trying different methods so a good part of the attached isn't relevant.

Okay. That's not the traditional RC circuit, but whatever. If that's what you are asked to solve for, then ok.

Your first equation is correct:

\frac{V_c(t)}{R} + C \frac{dV_c(t)}{dt} = I_s

That is a differential equation for Vc(t). To solve it, you assume a solution for Vc(t), and then differentiate that solution to get dVc(t)/dt. Plug those back into the differential equation, and solve for any constants or unknowns.

Since you were given the solution for Vc(t), go ahead and differentiate it, and plug all of that into the differential equation to show that it is a solution.
 

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