Solving a Probability Problem with 20 Chickens

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The probability problem involves calculating the likelihood of at least two black chickens emerging consecutively from a group of 20 chickens, consisting of 15 white and 5 black. The initial approach used the formula P = 1 - (Probability of no black chickens coming out consecutively), leading to a complex arrangement function D(n,p). A simpler empirical formula was proposed, P = 1 - C(20-5+1,5)*15!*5!/20!, which relates to the arrangement of black chickens in relation to white ones. The discussion highlights a key insight that avoiding consecutive black chickens can be visualized as placing them in specific spots created by the white chickens. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding combinatorial arrangements in solving such probability problems.
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Hi, i some time ago my physics teacher asked me this problem: There are 20 chickens coming out of an hen-coop. 15 are white, 5 are black. What's the probability of at least 2 black chickens come out consecutively.

so basicly i tried to calc P = 1 - (Probability of no black chicken come out consecutively )

So i thought P = 1 - D(20,5)/C(20,5)

being D = Ways to arrange the 5 chickens in 20 "boxes" so that the 5 black never come out consecutivelly

after some thinking i figured out that
D(n,p) = D(n-2,p-1) + D(n-1,p)

which is somewhat similar to C(n,p) = C(n-1,p-1) + C(n-1,p)

So i started making some sort of pascal triangle for the D function which lead me to this complicated sum:

D(n,p) = \sum_{i=1}^{n-2p+2} C(p-3+i,p-2) \times (k-i+1)

hope i got this right (first time using latex ^^)

well, i came to the same result as my teacher but he had a much more simple formula, to which he arrived empirically:

P = 1 - C(20-5+1,5)*15!*5!/20!

So, D(n,p)=C(n-p+1,p) i tried to deduce this formula from what i previously had but with no success. Can some1 please tell me how i could have arrived to it.

Ty

PS: By the way, I'm only in high school so try to keep it simple.:biggrin:
 
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Here's one way:

Saying that there are no two black chickens in a row is the same as saying that every black chicken is directly in front of a white chicken, or directly in front of the end of the row.

So we can think of this as 16 spots (1 in front of each white chicken and 1 at the end) and choosing 5.

You should be able to generalize from there.
 
How many ways are there of putting k black objects in the n+1 spaces formed by a string of n white objects, with no more than 1 black object per space ?

Edit : This seems to be exactly what Nate was saying. The spots threw me! I guess I'm a space person.
 
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