Integrating Trigonometric Substitution and Simplifying Tricky Integrals

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The discussion revolves around the integral \(\int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{y^2}{1+y^4} dy\), with participants exploring various methods of integration, including trigonometric substitution and manipulation of the integrand.

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  • Participants discuss the ineffectiveness of trigonometric substitution and integration by parts. One suggests manipulating the integrand by dividing the numerator and denominator by \(y^2\) to simplify the expression. Others propose using contour integration and fraction expansion as potential solutions.

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There are multiple approaches being explored, with some participants providing hints and suggestions for manipulation. While some express confidence in contour integration, others are encouraged to experiment with the simplified form of the integral. No consensus has been reached on a single method.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the integral without a clear resolution, indicating that the problem may involve advanced techniques or insights that are not immediately apparent.

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I'm having difficulty with this, trigonometic substitution won't work, neither would integration by parts...
\int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{y^2}{1+y^4} dy

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doing trigonometric substitution with y^2 = tan\theta, I would get
\frac{1}{2} \int_{- \frac{\pi}{2}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \sqrt{tan \theta} d\theta
 
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Don't make the trig sub.

Instead, divide numerator and denominator by y^2.
You'll have
\int \frac{dy}{y^2 + 1/y^2}

There's a tricky step (more like manipulation) to solve this. Here's a hint:
y^2 + 1/y^2 = (y+1/y)^2 - 2
y^2 + 1/y^2 = (y-1/y)^2 + 2

Can you play around for a while and take it from here?
 
hey, thanks for the help siddharth...yeah, i'll try to play around this form and fina a solution.

thanks again
 
Contour integration is the solution.

Daniel.
 
Also, u might try for a simple fraction expansion.

y^{4}+1 =\left(y^{2}+\sqrt{2}y+1\right)\left(y^{2}-\sqrt{2}y+1\right)

The result is \frac{1}{4}\pi \sqrt{2}

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Contour integration is the solution.

Daniel.

You don't need contour integration to solve this.

The trick in integrating
\int \frac{dy}{y^2 + 1/y^2}

is to write it as

(1/2) \int \left( \frac{1-1/y^2}{(y+1/y)^2 - 2} + \frac{1+1/y^2}{(y-1/y)^2 + 2} \right) dy

This is very easy to integrate.
 
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This is very nice :)

siddharth said:
You don't need contour integration to solve this.

The trick in integrating
\int \frac{dy}{y^2 + 1/y^2}

is to write it as

(1/2) \int \left( \frac{1-1/y^2}{(y+1/y)^2 - 2} + \frac{1+1/y^2}{(y-1/y)^2 + 2} \right) dy

This is very easy to integrate.
 

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