Answer: Find Force for Potential Energy Function V

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The discussion revolves around finding the force associated with a given potential energy function, specifically V=ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)}. Participants are exploring the relationship between potential energy and force through the gradient operator.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to apply the gradient operator to the potential energy function to derive the force components. There is a focus on the application of the chain rule in differentiation and the correct formulation of the force vector.

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Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the application of the chain rule, suggesting a need for careful consideration of the differentiation process. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to derive the force from the potential function.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the extent of assistance they can provide to one another. The original poster expresses confusion regarding discrepancies between their results and those found in the textbook.

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[SOLVED] given potential: find F

Homework Statement



Find the force for the following potential energy function:
[tex]V=ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)}[/tex]

Homework Equations



[tex]\mathbf{F}=-\nabla V[/tex]

[tex]F_x=- \frac{\partial V}{\partial x}[/tex]
[tex]F_y=- \frac{\partial V}{\partial y}[/tex]
[tex]F_z=- \frac{\partial V}{\partial z}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



By the chain rule:

[tex]F_x=-\frac{\partial V}{\partial x}=-[-(\alpha x+ \beta y + \gamma z)ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)}(-\alpha)][/tex]
[tex]F_y=-\frac{\partial V}{\partial y}=-[-(\alpha x+ \beta y + \gamma z)ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)}(-\beta)][/tex]
[tex]F_z=-\frac{\partial V}{\partial z}=-[-(\alpha x+ \beta y + \gamma z)ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)}(-\gamma)][/tex]

Additionally,
[tex]\mathbf{F}=F_x+F_y+F_z[/tex]

So add it up and factor out the common factors and get
[tex]\mathbf{F}=-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y +\gamma z)}(\alpha \mathbf{i}+\beta \mathbf{j}+\gamma \mathbf{k})[/tex]

And that would be my final answer, except that the back of the book says that
[tex]\mathbf{F}=ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y +\gamma z)}(\alpha \mathbf{i}+\beta \mathbf{j}+\gamma \mathbf{k})[/tex]

Can you help me find my error?

Thanks!
 
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[SOLVED] given potential find F

Homework Statement



Find the force for the following potential energy function:
[tex]V=ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)}[/tex]

Homework Equations



[tex]\mathbf{F}=-\nabla V[/tex]

[tex]F_x=- \frac{\partial V}{\partial x}[/tex]

[tex]F_y=- \frac{\partial V}{\partial y}[/tex]

[tex]F_z=- \frac{\partial V}{\partial z}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



By the chain rule:

[tex]F_x=-\frac{\partial V}{\partial x}=-[-(\alpha x+ \beta y + \gamma z)ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)}(-\alpha)][/tex]

[tex]F_y=-\frac{\partial V}{\partial y}=-[-(\alpha x+ \beta y + \gamma z)ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)}(-\beta)][/tex]

[tex]F_z=-\frac{\partial V}{\partial z}=-[-(\alpha x+ \beta y + \gamma z)ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)}(-\gamma)][/tex]

Additionally,
[tex]\mathbf{F}=F_x+F_y+F_z[/tex]

So add it up and factor out the common factors and get
[tex]\mathbf{F}=-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y +\gamma z)}(\alpha \mathbf{i}+\beta \mathbf{j}+\gamma \mathbf{k})[/tex]

And that would be my final answer, except that the back of the book says that
[tex]\mathbf{F}=ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y +\gamma z)}(\alpha \mathbf{i}+\beta \mathbf{j}+\gamma \mathbf{k})[/tex]

Can you help me find my error?

Thanks!
 
Check the derivatives

mbrmbrg said:
[tex]F_x=-\frac{\partial V}{\partial x}=-[-(\alpha x+ \beta y + \gamma z)ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)}(-\alpha)][/tex]

etc. Recall

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}e^{f(x)} = e^{f(x)}\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}.[/tex]
 
You used the chain rule incorrectly.

[tex]\textrm{Let}\ \ \ u(x,y,z) = \alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z[/tex]

Then

[tex]\frac{\partial }{\partial x}(ce^{-u}) = \frac{d}{du}(ce^{-u}) \frac{\partial u}{\partial x}[/tex]

[tex]= -\alpha ce^{-(\alpha x+\beta y+\gamma z)}[/tex]

likewise for the partial derivatives wrt y and z.
 
As I recall, chain rule goes like "Derivative of the inner function multiplied by the derivative of the outer function evaluated at the inner function".
 
Right... it's the easy math that bites me in the butt.
Thanks!
 

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