Apophis Strikes Earth: Odds still 1 in 45,000

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the potential impact risk of the asteroid Apophis, particularly in relation to its trajectory and the density of satellites in geostationary orbit. Participants explore various viewpoints on the likelihood of collision and the implications of orbital dynamics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference articles that present differing views on the risk posed by Apophis, suggesting that media coverage may be misleading.
  • There is a claim that the density of satellites in geostationary orbit is not high enough to significantly increase the risk of collision with Apophis.
  • One participant argues that the odds of Apophis hitting a satellite are less than 1 in 45,000, echoing a previously stated figure.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for mathematical analysis rather than debate to address the risk assessment.
  • Questions are raised about the actual density of satellites in orbit and the average distances between them, indicating uncertainty about the orbital environment.
  • A participant points out that Apophis's trajectory will not come close to geostationary altitude, and contrasts its high-speed approach with the behavior of satellites that may have varying orbits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the risk of collision with satellites, with no consensus reached on the actual likelihood or the implications of Apophis's trajectory.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on assumptions about satellite density and orbital mechanics, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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This is sort of in response to an article Ivan posted in the locked Apophis thread:
http://www.physorg.com/news127499715.html

The above is the url from Ivan.

Below are urls to the contrary

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/16/esa_german_schoolboy_apophis_denial/?rss
http://cosmos4u.blogspot.com/2008/04/apophis-risk-not-increased-science-fair.html

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news158.html This is an example of very, very, shoddy journalism.
 
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Even if the asteroid did pass through the zone occupied by geostationary satellites, the density isn't really all that high. I can't imagine that it would have that much of a chance of hitting one.
 
russ_watters said:
Even if the asteroid did pass through the zone occupied by geostationary satellites, the density isn't really all that high. I can't imagine that it would have that much of a chance of hitting one.

Indeed! I'd say the odds are less than 1 in 45,000 that that would happen.
 
This must be answered by using mathematics, not aguing.
 
I keep hearing stuff about how crowded that orbit is. Is it really that vacant? What is the avarage distance between those satelites?
 
First, Apophis won't even come close to the projection of Earth's equator out to geostationary altitude. Second, even if it did, there is a big difference between Apophis and satellites at geostationary altitude that are not quite geosynchronous anymore. Apophis will come barreling through at hyperbolic speed, and do so once. Those not-quite-geosynchronous satellites have a chance to hit each and every geosynchronous satellite, and have that chance many times over.
 

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