Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the concepts of "degree of order" and "level of order" as presented in David Bohm's work. Participants explore the meanings of these terms, their interrelation, and implications in systems theory and broader contexts.
Discussion Character
- Conceptual clarification
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- One participant suggests that a higher degree of order can be created by connecting multiple subsystems, but this does not necessarily imply a high level of order, as the system may still be disorganized.
- Another participant posits that for a system to function effectively, both the degree and level of order must be elevated, using the global context of countries and religions as an example.
- A reference is made to specific pages in Bohm's book, indicating where these concepts are discussed.
- There is a suggestion that the topic may be more philosophical than scientific, prompting a potential shift in the discussion's categorization.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the implications of degree and level of order, with no consensus reached on their definitions or interrelations.
Contextual Notes
The discussion may be limited by the lack of clarity on definitions and the assumptions underlying the concepts of order. The relationship between degree and level of order remains unresolved.