Unifying Quantum and Relativity

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The discussion centers on the potential unification of quantum mechanics and general relativity, exploring theoretical frameworks and models that might bridge the gap between the microcosm of quantum phenomena and the macrocosm described by relativity. Participants examine existing theories and propose new ideas, considering both the challenges and possibilities in achieving a unified theory.

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  • Some participants propose that relativistic quantum mechanics and quantum field theory represent attempts to unify quantum mechanics with special relativity.
  • Others clarify that quantum field theories describe matter within the framework of special relativity, suggesting that consistency with relativity leads to quantum field theories at low energies.
  • A participant raises the possibility of an intermediate energy scale where quantum field theories may not apply, but gravity is not yet significant, indicating uncertainty in this region.
  • There is mention of partial successes in unifying the two theories, such as quantum field theory in curved spacetime, alongside ongoing efforts like string theory and loop quantum gravity, though none have achieved complete success yet.
  • A novel idea is introduced regarding spacetime as a quantum superposition of fractal metrics, suggesting a self-similar structure at the quantum scale, but its effectiveness compared to other approaches remains uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the unification of quantum mechanics and general relativity, with no consensus on the best approach or the effectiveness of current theories. Multiple competing ideas and models are presented, indicating an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the applicability of quantum field theories at certain energy scales and the need to consider gravity at high energies, highlighting the complexity of the unification challenge.

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While relativity deals with the macrocosm, the quantum mechanics deal with the microcosm. Is there any vague possibility that these two can unite to give us a single unified theory? If so, where do we start, and how?
 
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There is such a thing - relativistic quantum mechanics (and its descendant, quantum field theory).
 
Just to clarify what Vanadium said... Quantum field theories are quantum theories of matter formulated in the framework of special relativity. So we're using special relativity to describe the properties of space and time, and quantum mechanics to describe the behavior of all physical systems (matter/energy) in that spacetime. We're also specifically considering those physical systems that can be described by quantum fields (elementary particles). The view of quantum field theory that's held by most theorists these days (see e.g. Weinberg's QFT book) is that consistency with special relativity will make any quantum theory of matter look like a quantum field theory when the energies are low.

Maybe there is an intermediate energy scale that's too high for quantum field theories to be useful and still too low for gravity to be important. I don't know. But I do know that when the energies get high enough, it's necessary to take gravity into account. (E.g. what if the energy density during a collision between particles is greater than the density that general relativity says is sufficient to create a black hole?).

So what physicists want to do is to unify quantum mechanics with general relativity. There are some partial successes, like quantum field theory in curved spacetime, and there are some serious attempts to really unify the two, like string theory and loop quantum gravity. None of those attempts have really succeded yet, but people are still working on them, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
Fredrik said:
Just to clarify what Vanadium said... Quantum field theories are quantum theories of matter formulated in the framework of special relativity. So we're using special relativity to describe the properties of space and time, and quantum mechanics to describe the behavior of all physical systems (matter/energy) in that spacetime. We're also specifically considering those physical systems that can be described by quantum fields (elementary particles). The view of quantum field theory that's held by most theorists these days (see e.g. Weinberg's QFT book) is that consistency with special relativity will make any quantum theory of matter look like a quantum field theory when the energies are low.

Maybe there is an intermediate energy scale that's too high for quantum field theories to be useful and still too low for gravity to be important. I don't know. But I do know that when the energies get high enough, it's necessary to take gravity into account. (E.g. what if the energy density during a collision between particles is greater than the density that general relativity says is sufficient to create a black hole?).

So what physicists want to do is to unify quantum mechanics with general relativity. There are some partial successes, like quantum field theory in curved spacetime, and there are some serious attempts to really unify the two, like string theory and loop quantum gravity. None of those attempts have really succeded yet, but people are still working on them, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
That is a good answer.

An interesting novel idea in this area is described by Jerzy Jurkiewicz, Renate Loll and Jan Ambjorn (2008), "Using Causality to Solve the Puzzle of Quantum Spacetime"[/color], Scientific American, June 2008. In essence they propose that spacetime is a quantum superposition of fractal metrics, which are self-similar with fractal dimension 2 on the quantum scale (but with a traditional dimension of 4 on the macroscopic scale).

But we'll have to wait to see if this approach is any more or less successful than other approaches.
 

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