Determine whether Subsets are Subspaces

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The discussion revolves around determining whether specific subsets of F3 are subspaces. The subsets include conditions based on linear equations and products of variables.

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  • Participants explore the criteria for subspaces, including the additive identity, closure under addition, and closure under scalar multiplication. Specific examples are discussed to illustrate reasoning.

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Some participants have confirmed the validity of certain subsets as subspaces, while others are still working through the reasoning for specific cases. Hints and examples have been provided to guide understanding.

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Participants are navigating through the definitions and properties of subspaces, with some subsets posing challenges due to their conditions. There is an emphasis on checking assumptions and clarifying definitions.

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Homework Statement


For each of the following subsets of F3, determine whether it is a subspace of F3

(a){(x_1, x_2, x_3) \in \mathbf{F}^3: x_1+2x_2+3x_3=0}

(b){(x_1, x_2, x_3) \in \mathbf{F}^3: x_1+2x_2+3x_3=4}

(c){(x_1, x_2, x_3) \in \mathbf{F}^3: x_1x_2x_3=0}

(d){(x_1, x_2, x_3) \in \mathbf{F}^3: x_1=5x_3}

My attempt

(a)
additive ID:
the additive ID exists in the subset since if (x1,x2,x3)=0 then the criteria that x_1+2x_2+3x_3=0 holds true.

closure under addition:
given
{(x_1, x_2, x_3) \in \mathbf{F}^3: x_1+2x_2+3x_3=0}\text{ and }
{(y_1, y_2, y_3) \in \mathbf{F}^3: y_1+2y_2+3y_3=0}

then,

x_1=-(2x_2+3x_3)\text{ and }y_1=-(2y_2+3y_3)

then (x_1, x_2, x_3)+(y_1, y_2, y_3)=(x_1+y_1,x_2+y_2,x_3+y_3)

=(-(2x_2+3x_3)-(2y_2+3y_3),x_2+y_2,x_3+y_3)

Applying the condition that x_1+2x_2+3x_3=0

We have:-(2x_2+3x_3)-(2y_2+3y_3)+2(x_2+y_2)+3(x_3+y_3)=0

Closure under Scalar multiplication: given
{a\in\mathbf{F}\text{ and }(x_1, x_2, x_3) \in \mathbf{F}^3: x_1+2x_2+3x_3=0}

a(x_1,x_2,x_3)=(ax_1,ax_2,ax_3)

Applying the condition we have:

ax_1+2ax_2+3ax_3=0=a(x_1+2x_2+3x_3)

Thus the subset is a subspace. Look okay?

(b)
immediately we can see that if (x1,x2,x3)=0 than the condition that x_1+2x_2+3x_3=4 does not hold. Not a subspace.(c)
I am having a little trouble seeing this one. if (x1,x2,x3)=0 than the condition that x_12x_23x_3=0 is true confirming that the additive ID is included.

Under addition we have

(x_1+y_1,x_2+y_2,x_3+y_3) applying the condition that the product=0 we have

(x_1+y_1)(x_2+y_2)(x_3+y_3)=0

I am not sure what to say about this??
(d) ... working on it
 
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Hi Saladsamurai! :smile:
Saladsamurai said:
Here we go...wheeeee

(no leaning over the side! :biggrin:)

Yup, your (a) and (b) are fine. :smile:

Hint for (c): what if x1 = y2 = 0?

and try rewriting (d) as x1 - 5x3 = 0 :wink:
 
For (c) it may be clearer to look at a specific example. a=(1,1,0) and b=(0,1,1) are in your subset, right? What about a+b?
 
Dick said:
For (c) it may be clearer to look at a specific example. a=(1,1,0) and b=(0,1,1) are in your subset, right? What about a+b?

Then a+b=(1+0, 1+1, 0+1) and the product of these elements \ne 0 therefore all a+b \not\in U (where U is the subset in question)

So c is not a subspace.
 
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For d : If U is the subset in question: The additive identity is on U since if x1=x2=x3=0 then x1=5*x3=0

Closure under addition:
Let a=(x1,x2,x3) where x1=5*x3 and b=(y1,y2,y3) where y1=5*y3
=> a+b = ((5*x3+5*y3), x2+y2, x3+y3)

=(5(x3+y3), x2+y2, x3+y3) => closed.

Closure under scalar multiplication: if r is a scalar and U= {(x1,x2,x3): x1=5*x3} then,

r(x1,x2,x3)=(5r*x3,r*x2,r*x3) => closed under mult.

So d is a subspace
 
Yup … your c and d are fine now! :biggrin:
 
This isn't so bad

:notices he has 10 more chapters to go: :rolleyes:
 

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