Expansion of a point-charge potential

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The discussion revolves around the expansion of a point-charge potential using spherical harmonics, specifically the manipulation of the expression for the Coulomb potential. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation and seeking integrable forms for their applications in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant is attempting to manipulate the expansion of the Coulomb potential and is not achieving the expected potential curve after including up to four terms.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the resultant potential and the specific integrability issues being faced.
  • A reference to a paper by Carlson and Rushbrooke is provided, suggesting that it contains the correct expansion for the Coulomb potential in spherical harmonics.
  • A participant reports that implementing one of the suggested equations has improved their results.
  • Another participant discusses the behavior of the potential when varying the position of a point charge, noting that proximity to the origin yields a predictable approximation, while greater distances lead to more complex behavior.
  • The same participant expresses uncertainty about whether their current approach is suitable for constructing plane-wave molecular integrals.

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There is no clear consensus on the best approach to expand the potential or on the suitability of the current methods being discussed. Multiple viewpoints and ongoing questions remain regarding the effectiveness of different expansions and their implications for integrability.

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Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps involved in the expansion, and there are dependencies on the definitions of terms used in the context of the Coulomb potential. The discussion also highlights the complexity introduced by varying the position of the charge.

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I'm currently trying to manipulate the expansion

[tex]\frac{1}{|x_1-x_2|} = \sum_{l=0} \frac{r_{<}^l}{r_{>}^{l+1}}P_{l}\left(cos\left(\gamma\right)\right)[/tex]

Where r< is the lesser of |x1| and |x2| and P_l are the legendre polynomials.

I have included up to 4 terms and the resultant potential isn't resembling the expected potential curve. Does anyone have any experience with such expansions, or would you recommend a different expansion (I ultimately need it to make a function integrable) ?
 
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Morberticus said:
I'm currently trying to manipulate the expansion

[tex]\frac{1}{|x_1-x_2|} = \sum_{l=0} \frac{r_{<}^l}{r_{>}^{l+1}}P_{l}\left(cos\left(\gamma\right)\right)[/tex]

Where r< is the lesser of |x1| and |x2| and P_l are the legendre polynomials.

I have included up to 4 terms and the resultant potential isn't resembling the expected potential curve. Does anyone have any experience with such expansions, or would you recommend a different expansion (I ultimately need it to make a function integrable) ?


What is the resultant potential you are getting, and what were you expecting? What exactly are you trying to make integrable?
 
Here you go:
Carlson and Rushbrooke, "On the expansion of a coulomb potential in spherical harmonics"
Mathematical Proceedings of the Cambridge Philosophical Society (1950), 46: 626-633
doi:10.1017/S0305004100026190

Equations Ia and Ib give you the correct expansion.
 
alxm said:
Here you go:
Carlson and Rushbrooke, "On the expansion of a coulomb potential in spherical harmonics"
Mathematical Proceedings of the Cambridge Philosophical Society (1950), 46: 626-633
doi:10.1017/S0305004100026190

Equations Ia and Ib give you the correct expansion.

Hi, thanks. I have implemented Ib and it seems to have made an improvement.

gabbagabbahey: When considering |x1-X|^-1: If X is close to the origin and on the z axis, I get a predictable approximation to |x1-X|^-1 (i.e. If I plot the approximate potential across the singularity, I get a finite peak). However, if X is placed further away from the origin, the potential changes, and a caldera forms. I ultimately am constructing plane-wave molecular integrals, so perhaps this isn't even the best approach.
 

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