Special Relativity handling acceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the handling of acceleration within the framework of Special Relativity (SR), particularly focusing on the implications for distant clock tick rates and the mathematical derivation of related formulas. Participants explore both theoretical and mathematical aspects of SR as it applies to accelerated frames of reference.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the tick rate of a distant clock, as perceived by an accelerating observer, can be expressed with a formula involving acceleration and distance, specifically (1+gx)/gamma.
  • Others argue that at any instant, an object can be treated as an inertial frame based on its four-velocity, suggesting that one can approximate the behavior of an accelerating object by considering it as moving at constant velocity over small intervals.
  • A participant mentions the geometric interpretation of SR, stating that each inertial frame has Minkowskian coordinates, while accelerated frames require curvilinear coordinates.
  • Some express a desire for a detailed mathematical derivation of the proposed tick rate formula from the Lorentz transform.
  • One participant emphasizes that SR is fundamentally defined by its postulates regarding inertial frames and that the handling of acceleration requires additional considerations, referencing Einstein's later work on general covariance.
  • Another participant clarifies the context of the equations presented, explaining the role of different coordinates in the calculations of tick rates for stationary and moving clocks relative to an accelerated observer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the implications of SR for accelerating observers. While some acknowledge that SR can handle acceleration, others highlight the limitations of SR as defined by its original postulates, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on certain points.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to specific mathematical derivations and the need for integration in understanding the behavior of accelerating objects. There are also mentions of the limitations of SR when applied to non-inertial frames, which may not be fully addressed within the original framework of the theory.

ostren
If an object were undergoing acceleration in hypothetical flat space, then a distant clock's tick rate (relative to one's own) is given by something like (1+gx)/gamma, where g is the acceleration and x (sign significant) is the significant linear distance to the remote clock. Is this part and parcel of the fact that SR can handle acceleration? Yes, of course it is. And if so, then is the formula above derived solely from the Lorentz transform? Just out of idle curiosity, how is that derivation arrived at?
 
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At any given instant an object can be considered to be the inertial frmae, depending on it's four-velocity at that instant, this refrence frame is called the instaneously co-moving inertial frame. You could approximate by pretending that the objcet has a period of constant velocity, then instaneously accelartes up to another velcoity and so on, the smaller the period the more accuarte the result. Now compare this to the definition of integration and you should see that to find out exactly what's going on by intergrating our formulas for constant velocity.
 
That's precisely what I suspected, an integration of the Lorentz equation. Thank you!
 
You can also think of it geometircally. Each inertial frame defines a set of Minkowskian coordinates, an object at rest in this frame has a worldline along the time axis in these coordinates. For an acccelarted refrence frma we can't use Minkowkisan coordinates but we can use curvilinear coordinates with the (curved) wordline of an object in this frame defining the time axis.
 
All that is MUCCH appreciated, thanks. But actually, I wished to see the detailed mathematical derivation of the dt(1+gx)/gamma formula from the Lorentz tranform... just for laughs.
 
The entire subject of accelerated observers is treated in MTW's "Gravitation".

While the answer to your question is left as an exercise, the groundwork is set up for it on pg 173 which is referred to by the exercise.

The coordinate transformation from the coordiante system of an observer in hyperbolic motion (constant proper acceleration of a value g) with local coordinates [tex]\xi^i[/tex] to an inertial observer with coordinates xi is:

[tex]\array{rcl} x^0 &=& (\frac{1}{g}+\xi^1)sinh(g \xi^0)\\x^1 &= & (\frac{1}{g}+\xi^1)cosh(g \xi^0)\\x^2 &=& \xi^2\\x^3 &= & \xi^3\end{array}[/tex]

If you substitute this into the equation for the metric / lorentz interval

[tex]ds^2 = -(dx^0) ^2 + (dx^1) ^2 + (dx^2) ^2 + (dx^3) ^2[/tex]

you get
[tex] ds^2 = -(1+g \xi^1)^2(d \xi^0)^2 + (d \xi^1)^2 + (d\xi^2)^2 + (d\xi^3)^2[/tex]

It's reasonably obvious that the coefficient of [tex]\xi^0[/tex] is the square of the time dilation factor.
 
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ostren said:
If an object were undergoing acceleration in hypothetical flat space, then a distant clock's tick rate (relative to one's own) is given by something like (1+gx)/gamma, where g is the acceleration and x (sign significant) is the significant linear distance to the remote clock. Is this part and parcel of the fact that SR can handle acceleration? Yes, of course it is. And if so, then is the formula above derived solely from the Lorentz transform? Just out of idle curiosity, how is that derivation arrived at?
People often make this mistake. Special relativity is that theory defined by two postulates. They are

(1) The laws of nature are the same in all inertial frames of reference.
(2) The speed of light has a definite value which is independent of the source.

This theory only addresses what happens in inertial frames. The tensors and are therefore only gaurenteed to be Lorentz tensors. When Einstein later came to update this to arbitrary frames he had to come up with a new postulate - The "Principle of General Covariance" which states that the laws of physics are valid in all frames of reference and in all valid coordinate systems. This does not neccesarily follow from the special theory above just because the laws of physics all hold in inertial frames. It took Einstein to make this leap. Einstein explains all this in his 1916 paper. Pauli also explains this in his relativity text.

SR can handle accelerating objects though.

Pete
 
One other thing I should note is that the equations I presented derive the [tex](1+g\xi^1)[/tex] tick rate of the "stationary" (with respect to the accelerated observer) clock at the fixed coordinate [tex]\xi^1[/tex].

In case it isn't obvious, x0 is the time coordinate of the inertial observer, x1 is one of the space coordiantes of the inertial observer (the space coordinate pointing in the direction of motion of the accelerated observer). [tex]\xi^0[/tex] is the time coordante of the accelerated observer, and [tex]\xi^1[/tex] is the space coordiante of the accelerated observer in the direction of motion.

If the clock were moving in the [tex]\xi[/tex] coordinate system, rather than stationary at fixed [tex]\xi[/tex], one would get the additional time dilation factor of gamma mentioned.
 

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