Music If I you like Beethovens music does that mean that you just dont

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The discussion centers around the question of whether a lack of appreciation for Beethoven's music indicates a deficiency in mental capacity. The original poster reflects on Beethoven's early career, noting that he gained popularity playing in saloons and improvising on Bach tunes, suggesting that his appeal extended to a less sophisticated audience despite later acclaim from nobility. This raises the idea that Beethoven's music may not possess the profound qualities often attributed to it by experts, and questions whether appreciation for such music is influenced by social trends or "hype." The conversation emphasizes that music appreciation is subjective and varies based on individual values and contexts, with no clear correlation to mental capacity. Additionally, a participant dismisses the thread as nonsensical, stating their preference for Black Sabbath over Beethoven, indicating a divide in musical tastes.
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If I you like Beethovens music does that mean that you "just dont

just don't have the mental capacity to appreciate it yet"

EDIT: ok the title was supposed to say "If I you DONT like Beethovens music does that mean that you "just don't have the mental capacity to appreciate it yet" ?
anyway, continued...


what do you think? I've been thinking about this quite a bit, and i noticed a couple of things about beethoven:
1) beethoven first got a reputation playing in saloons. he was improvising on bach tunes. (a bar band, doing covers)
2) back then the average joe schmo had about an 8th grade education level.

3) conclusion: Beethoven hit it really big via the appraisals of a very lowbrow audience, despite the adulations he also enjoyed from nobility.

OK this is generalizing (understatement) but I just don't see how beethoven could have been as profound as popular opinion affirms?? its like the experts on beethoven intuit all this superhuman nuance in the music that really isn't even there, --only exists in the mind of the fanatical listener, no? .. Is it possible that a lot of people listen to this stuff just because other people listen to it? You know, sort of like the concept of "hype" --when a band reaches that sort of critical mass point and crowd mentality takes over and launches them into celebrity and $$ etc etc.. What do u thonk?
 
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Beethoven wrote a wide range of music, which I could rate from ugly, boring, to absolutely all time favorites (7th and 9th symphony, violin concerto) But others may find that boring (heard too many times) and may find other works interesting and marvelous, which I consider ugly.

I don't think there is much evidence for corrolation between music appreciation and mental capacities.
 


As with all forms of entertainment it comes down to people's subjective values in a given context.
 


tomishere said:
i noticed a couple of things about beethoven:
1) beethoven first got a reputation playing in saloons. he was improvising on bach tunes. (a bar band, doing covers)
2) back then the average joe schmo had about an 8th grade education level.
3) conclusion: Beethoven hit it really big via the appraisals of a very lowbrow audience, despite the adulations he also enjoyed from nobility.

Please provide a reference for these 3 statements.
 


The reason that I don't like Beethoven is that it isn't Black Sabbath.
 


The OP's post is just nonsense, so there's no reason to keep the thread open.
 

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