Laplace electric potential on circular disk with piecewise boundary condition.

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The discussion revolves around solving Laplace's equation on a circular disk of radius a with a specific piecewise boundary condition that models the electric potential distribution on a conducting disk. The boundary condition indicates that most of the disk's edge is grounded, except for a small angular section.

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  • Participants discuss using separation of variables to find solutions, questioning how to apply boundary conditions to the derived functions. There is mention of needing to determine eigenvalues and the implications of boundedness at the origin.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring the implications of boundary conditions and eigenvalues. Some have suggested that the solution may involve Fourier series, while others express uncertainty about specific conditions needed to proceed.

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There is a recognition of missing boundary conditions and the need to clarify the implications of the piecewise condition on the solution. Participants note the importance of symmetry in the problem and the potential need for additional constraints in polar coordinates.

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Solve Laplace's equation on a circular disk of radius a subject to the piecewise boundary condition
$$
u(a,\theta) = \begin{cases}
1, & \frac{\pi}{2} - \epsilon < \theta < \frac{\pi}{2} + \epsilon\\
0, & \text{otherwise}
\end{cases}
$$
where \epsilon \ll 1.
Physically, this would reflect the electric potential distribution on a conducting disk whose edge is almost completely grounded except a small portion of angular extent \Delta\theta = 2\epsilon around the location \theta = \frac{\pi}{2}.
Obtain the solution to this problem and plot the solution for the case of a = 1 and \epsilon = 0.05.

By separation of variables, we have
$$
\begin{cases}
\Theta(\theta) = A\cos\lambda\theta + B\sin\lambda\theta\\
R(r) = r^{\pm\lambda}
\end{cases}
$$
So how do I use the conditions now?
 
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Dustinsfl said:
Solve Laplace's equation on a circular disk of radius a subject to the piecewise boundary condition
$$
u(a,\theta) = \begin{cases}
1, & \frac{\pi}{2} - \epsilon < \theta < \frac{\pi}{2} + \epsilon\\
0, & \text{otherwise}
\end{cases}
$$
where \epsilon \ll 1.
Physically, this would reflect the electric potential distribution on a conducting disk whose edge is almost completely grounded except a small portion of angular extent \Delta\theta = 2\epsilon around the location \theta = \frac{\pi}{2}.
Obtain the solution to this problem and plot the solution for the case of a = 1 and \epsilon = 0.05.

By separation of variables, we have
$$
\begin{cases}
\Theta(\theta) = A\cos\lambda\theta + B\sin\lambda\theta\\
R(r) = r^{\pm\lambda}
\end{cases}
$$
So how do I use the conditions now?

The cosines and sines should have square roots over the lambdas, no? And can't you eliminate the ##r^{-\lambda}## by assuming the solution is bounded at the origin? And I'm guessing you have some unstated condition that will give you the eigenvalues ##\lambda##. Once you have that you should be able to finish the problem with a Fourier Series to fit the boundary condition at ##r=a##.
 
LCKurtz said:
The cosines and sines should have square roots over the lambdas, no? And can't you eliminate the ##r^{-\lambda}## by assuming the solution is bounded at the origin? And I'm guessing you have some unstated condition that will give you the eigenvalues ##\lambda##. Once you have that you should be able to finish the problem with a Fourier Series to fit the boundary condition at ##r=a##.

That is everything. I have \lambda because I set the ODEs to -\lambda^2
I am still not sure on how to proceed with the conditions.
$$
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}r^{\lambda_n}(A\cos\lambda_n \theta + B\sin\lambda_n\theta)
$$
 
Dustinsfl said:
That is everything. I have \lambda because I set the ODEs to -\lambda^2
I am still not sure on how to proceed with the conditions.
$$
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}r^{\lambda_n}(A\cos\lambda_n \theta + B\sin\lambda_n\theta)
$$

Then ##R(r) = r^{\lambda_n}##. If you had the ##\lambda_n## you would just set$$
u(a,\theta)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a^{\lambda_n}(A_n \cos \lambda_n \theta + B_n\sin\lambda_n\theta)$$and solve for the ##A_n## and ##B_n## with Fourier series. But first you need to figure out the distinct eigenvalues ##\lambda_n=\mu_n^2## from some explicit or implicit condition in the problem, which I don't know.
 
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LCKurtz said:
Then ##R(r) = r^{\lambda_n^2}##. If you had the ##\lambda_n## you would just set$$
u(a,\theta)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a^{\lambda_n^2}(A_n\cos\lambda_n \theta + B_n\sin\lambda_n\theta)$$and solve for the ##A_n## and ##B_n## with Fourier series. But first you need to figure out the distinct eigenvalues ##\lambda_n=\mu_n^2## from some explicit or implicit condition in the problem, which I don't know.

All the information is there. Typo I didn't mean -\lambda^2
$$
\frac{r^2R''+rR'}{R} = \lambda^2\iff r^2R''+rR'-\lambda^2R
$$
The problem is the Cauchy-Euler type.
$$
r^n[n(n-1)+n-\lambda^2] = 0\Rightarrow n^2 = \lambda^2\Rightarrow n = \lambda
$$
 
OK, I agree about the non-squared powers on the ##\lambda_n## and edited my post accordingly. But I'm afraid I can't help you with regard to determining the distinct values of the ##\lambda's##. There is something we are missing which is likely implicit in the polar coordinate function, but I don't know what it is.
 
LCKurtz said:
OK, I agree about the non-squared powers on the ##\lambda_n## and edited my post accordingly. But I'm afraid I can't help you with regard to determining the distinct values of the ##\lambda's##. There is something we are missing which is likely implicit in the polar coordinate function, but I don't know what it is.

We have to have ##u(r,\pi) = u(r,-\pi)## as well as the derivatives equal. I am glad you said that. I felt I missing some BC.
$$
u(r,\theta) = \alpha_0 + \beta_0\ln r + \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}r^{\lambda_n}(A_n\cos\lambda_n \theta + B_n\sin\lambda_n\theta)
$$
So now how do I use the piecewise condition?
 
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Dustinsfl said:
We have to have ##u(r,\pi) = u(r,-\pi)## as well as the derivatives equal. I am glad you said that. I felt I missing some BC.
$$
u(r,\theta) = \alpha_0 + \beta_0\ln r + \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}r^{\lambda_n}(A_n\cos\lambda_n \theta + B_n\sin\lambda_n\theta)
$$
So now how do I use the piecewise condition?

Where did that ## \alpha_0 + \beta_0\ln r ## suddenly come from? I know the answer to that, but do you have something you need to show me?

So use your new boundary conditions on ##\Theta(\theta)## to figure out the eigenvalues ##\lambda_n##. What do you get? You need to do that before you are ready to write the form of the solution for ##u(r,\theta)## and address the boundary condition.
 

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