Can Integrals Take Different Values Without Being Equal?

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In summary, the conversation discusses measures u(x) and v(x) and their relationship, specifically when u(x) is absolutely continuous to v(x). The result is that the integral of f(x) with respect to v(x) is always equal to the integral of g(x) with respect to u(x), but the reverse is not necessarily true. However, when the measures are equivalent, the two integrals are equal. The concept of 'taking the value of without being equal' is discussed but ultimately deemed nonsensical in terms of equality.
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Hi all,

Apologies if this is stupid question, but I have the following situation. Given two measures [itex]u(x)[/itex] and [itex]v(x)[/itex] if [itex]u(x)[/itex] is absolutely continuous to [itex]v(x)[/itex] ( [itex]u<<v[/itex]) I have a result such that

[itex]\int_A f(x)dv(x) [/itex] always takes the value [itex]\int_B g(x)du(x)[/itex]

But strictly [itex]\int_B g(x)du(x)\neq\int_A f(x)dv(x)[/itex]

If that makes sense... Basically I want to express this idea of 'taking the value of without being equal' but don't know how to express it mathematically (in words and symbols).

In case it still isn't clear, performing the first integral will necessarily return the value of the second, but performing the second will never give the value of the first. It appears to be a non symmetric equality.. Or is this nonsense?!

I then want to contrast this to when the measures are equivalent ([itex]u(x)\sim v(x)[/itex]) when the two integrals are equal y'see.

Many thanks!

R
 
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rs123 said:
Or is this nonsense?!
I'm afraid yes. Equality of values is always symmetric.

If the integrals take a value, then they are equal. E.g. ##\int_0^1 \frac{x}{2}\,dx = \int_0^1 x^3\,dx## even though the functions are different. But as functions, e.g. if the areas of integration ##A,B## are variable, then two functions can be identical almost everywhere: ##F(x) =_{a.e.} G(x)## or ##F(x)=G(x)\;(a.e.)\,.##
 

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