Numbers are infinite, so why would the universe not be infinite?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between numbers and the universe, questioning whether numbers are inherent to the universe or merely human inventions. Participants argue that while mathematics helps describe the universe, it is ultimately a man-made construct. Some suggest that numbers are discovered through observation, while others maintain that they are invented concepts. The debate touches on the existence of mathematical rules and their applicability to understanding the universe. The conversation concludes with a suggestion that the topic has become nonsensical, leading to its closure.
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After all, numbers are part of the universe. :biggrin:
 
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goldust said:
After all, numbers are part of the universe.

Are they? Why do you think this? What evidence do you have of this?
 
R136a1 said:
Are they? Why do you think this? What evidence do you have of this?

Haven't you seen that constellation that looks like a 6? If you look good you'll see it whenever and wherever you like ;)

/end sarcasm

R136a1 has a valid point.
Numbers are man-made, we look for a way to describe the universe using maths. It's not that maths is inherent to the universe. If we didn't have math however, there would be so many puzzling things.
It is however impossible to say whether there can exist a more natural language to describe the universe. Also because we can't think of such things without imagining them.
 
erhm how can you formulate a length without numbers?

Therefore numbers are still invented. As is geometry, topology and whatever you can come up with.

Troll?
 
Enough nonsense. Closed.
 

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