Understanding the Speed of Sound in Fluids: An Explanation from Thermodynamics

In summary, the speed of sound in a fluid is defined as ##c_s^2 = \frac{\partial P}{\partial \rho}##, which can be derived for any fluid where the continuity equation holds and small amplitude vibrations are present. Physically, the speed of sound represents how fast pressure vibrations travel in the media. The assumption that the fluid velocity goes to zero for small amplitude waves is based on the fact that in a real fluid, ##\partial p/\partial \rho## varies with pressure, so the equations only hold for small amplitudes.
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Niles
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Hi

The speed of sound in a fluid is defined as
[tex]
c_s^2 = \frac{\partial P}{\partial \rho}
[/tex]
where P is the pressure and ρ the density. In my thermodynamics-course this was how we defined the speed of sound in an ideal gas, I have never read the explanation anywhere for, why this relation is also valid in a fluid.

Is the reason that a fluid be approximated as an ideal gas? If not, where does this relation come from?
 
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This can be derived very generally for any fluid where continuity equation holds. I don't want to think about advection terms in 3D right now, so let's restrict this to a 1D fluid. You can try carrying out all the algebra in 3D yourself. It goes exactly the same. In 1D, continuity is simple enough, ##\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t} + \frac{\partial}{\partial x}(\rho v) = 0##. Of course, we don't know much about the velocity of the flow from the start, but we know how it changes, so let's differentiate.

[tex]\frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial t^2} + \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\frac{\partial}{\partial t}(\rho v)\right)[/tex]

Now, let's look at total time derivative of ##\rho v##. Using chain rule, we arrive at the usual instantaneous change and advection terms.

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}(\rho v) = \frac{\partial}{\partial t}(\rho v) + \frac{\partial}{\partial x}(\rho v)\frac{dx}{dt} = \frac{\partial}{\partial t}(\rho v) + v\frac{\partial}{\partial x}(\rho v)[/tex]

Naturally, I'm interested in that partial time derivative bit, so let me re-arrange things a bit.

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t}(\rho v) = \frac{d}{dt}(\rho v) - v\frac{\partial}{\partial x}(\rho v) = \left(\frac{d\rho}{dt}v + \rho\frac{dv}{dt}\right) - \left(v\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial x}v + v\rho \frac{\partial v}{\partial x}\right)[/tex]

This is probably a good place to linearize. Algebra can be carried on a bit longer to make it a bit more rigorous, but the end result is the same. So long as we are talking about small amplitude vibrations, v is very small, and in fact, we can take it as going to zero. This leaves us with a very simple expression.

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial t}(\rho v) = \rho \frac{dv}{dt}[/tex]

This is very fortunate, because ##\rho \frac{dv}{dt}## is the one thing we do know. If I take a small element of fluid of span ##\Delta x##, it experiences a force ##-\Delta P## on it. Taking the limit as ##\Delta x \rightarrow 0##, we get what we are looking for.

[tex]\rho \frac{dv}{dt} = -\frac{\partial P}{\partial x} = - \frac{\partial P}{\partial \rho}\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial x}[/tex]

And now we can put it back into continuity equation.

[tex]\frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial t^2} - \frac{\partial P}{\partial \rho}\frac{\partial^2 \rho}{\partial x^2} = 0[/tex]

And that, of course, is just wave equation with ##c^2 = \frac{\partial P}{\partial \rho}##.
 
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K^2 answer is about as detailed as you can get. Just to add one tiny bit to make sure there's no confusion, an ideal gas is a type of fluid.
 
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Hi guys

Thanks a lot for your answers and the detailed derivation. So the relation is something general for fluids that experience small amplitude vibrations.

1) Physically, what does [itex]c_s[/itex] mean? I guess it basically says something about how fast pressure vibrations travel in the media.

2) What is the physics behind the assumption v going to 0, when the amplitude variations are small? v refers to the fluid velocity, how is that related to the amplitude?
 
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Niles said:
1) Physically, what does [itex]c_s[/itex] mean? I guess it basically says something about how fast pressure vibrations travel in the media.

It doesn't "say something" about it - that's exactly what the speed of sound is.

2) What is the physics behind the assumption v going to 0, when the amplitude variations are small? v refers to the fluid velocity, how is that related to the amplitude?

You can make K^2's math a bit more explicit by letting the pressure = ##p_0(x,y,z) + p(x,y,z,t)## and the velocity = ##v_0(x,y,z) + v(x,y,z,t)##. ##p_0## and ##v_0## are some arbitrary steady flow conditions which don't change with time. ##p## and ##v## are the time-dependent parts of the pressure and velocity that represent the "sound wave".

If you work through the math, you get to the same result for the speed of sound as before. ##p_0## and ##v_0## drop out of the equations when you differentiate with respect to time.

In a real fluid ##\partial p/\partial \rho## is not constant, it varies with ##p##. As a "sound wave" with a large amplitide travels through the fluid, it changes shape and spreads out in space. As a simple extreme example, of this, the pressure in a real fluid can't be negative. K^2's math only matches the behavior of the real fluid for "small" amplitude waves, where "small" means that ##\partial p/\partial \rho## really is constant.
 
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AlephZero said:
In a real fluid ##\partial p/\partial \rho## is not constant, it varies with ##p##. As a "sound wave" with a large amplitide travels through the fluid, it changes shape and spreads out in space. As a simple extreme example, of this, the pressure in a real fluid can't be negative. K^2's math only matches the behavior of the real fluid for "small" amplitude waves, where "small" means that ##\partial p/\partial \rho## really is constant.

And of course, finite amplitude waves are where the excitement really starts. Nonlinear wave equations are fun (no sarcasm intended). :devil:
 

1. What is the speed of sound in fluids?

The speed of sound in fluids is the speed at which sound waves travel through a fluid medium, such as water or air. It can vary depending on the type of fluid and its properties, but it is typically much slower than the speed of sound in solids.

2. How is sound speed in fluids related to thermodynamics?

The speed of sound in fluids is related to thermodynamics because it is affected by the temperature, pressure, and density of the fluid. These thermodynamic properties determine how quickly sound waves can travel through the medium.

3. What is the equation for calculating the speed of sound in fluids?

The equation for calculating the speed of sound in fluids is: c = √(γP/ρ), where c is the speed of sound, γ is the adiabatic index, P is the pressure, and ρ is the density of the fluid.

4. Why is the speed of sound in fluids slower than in solids?

The speed of sound in fluids is slower than in solids because the molecules in fluids are farther apart and have less rigidity compared to solids. This makes it more difficult for sound waves to travel through the medium, resulting in a slower speed.

5. How does the speed of sound in fluids change with temperature?

The speed of sound in fluids increases with temperature because as the temperature increases, the molecules in the fluid gain more kinetic energy and can vibrate faster, allowing sound waves to travel more quickly through the medium.

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