Is Acceleration of Acceleration a Valid Concept in Physics?

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The discussion centers on the concept of "acceleration of acceleration" in physics, specifically addressing the mathematical expressions and physical relevance of higher derivatives of motion. The term "jerk" is defined as the third derivative of displacement, represented as j = d³x/dt³, with units of m/s³, while "jounce," the fourth derivative, is expressed as d⁴x/dt⁴. Although these concepts exist mathematically, their practical applications are limited, primarily to fields like engineering, such as rollercoaster design. The conversation emphasizes that mathematical expressions do not inherently imply physical usefulness.

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Acceleration is motion at a velocity that is in a consistent state of change, right? So...

v is in terms of m/s
a is in terms of m/s^2

So what is motion at an acceleration that is in a consistent change?

a^2 is in terms of m/s^3
or
a^2 is in terms of m/s^4
?

Is this 'acceleration of acceleration' ever used? Howabout acceleration of acceleration of acceleration, etc etc ad infinitum?
 
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Trepidation said:
Acceleration is motion at a velocity that is in a consistent state of change, right? So...

v is in terms of m/s
a is in terms of m/s^2

So what is motion at an acceleration that is in a consistent change?

a^2 is in terms of m/s^3
or
a^2 is in terms of m/s^4
?

Is this 'acceleration of acceleration' ever used? Howabout acceleration of acceleration of acceleration, etc etc ad infinitum?

Just because something has a mathematical expression doesn't mean it is automatically physically useful or meaningful.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Just because something has a mathematical expression doesn't mean it is automatically physically useful or meaningful.

Zz.

I know... The first part of my question was what the mathematical expression would be, and the second part was whether it would or would not be physically useful.
 
Trepidation said:
Acceleration is motion at a velocity that is in a consistent state of change, right? So...

v is in terms of m/s
a is in terms of m/s^2

So what is motion at an acceleration that is in a consistent change?

a^2 is in terms of m/s^3
or
a^2 is in terms of m/s^4
?

Is this 'acceleration of acceleration' ever used? Howabout acceleration of acceleration of acceleration, etc etc ad infinitum?

I don't think it's a^2 you want.

\vec{j} = \frac{d\vec{a}}{dt} = \frac{d^3\vec{x}}{dt^3}

j is called 'jerk' (or sometimes 'jolt') and has units of m/s^3.

In physics jerk is rarely used, though in some areas of engineering (rollercoaster design would be the usual example) it is important.

The quantity:
\frac{d\vec{j}}{dt} = \frac{d^4\vec{x}}{dt^4}
is often called 'jounce' and has even more limited use than jerk. Obviously you can keep on taking higher derivaives of dispalcement with respect to time without limit, but generally the higher the derivative the less it's use.
 
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