Euler-lagrange Definition and 122 Threads

  1. M

    Help with the Euler-Lagrange formula for a geodesic

    Homework Statement The metric is: ds^{2} = y^{2}(dx^{2} + dy^{2}) I have to find the equation relating x and y along a geodesic.The Attempt at a Solution ds = \sqrt{ydx^{2} + ydy^{2}} - is this right? ds = \sqrt{y + yy'^{2}} dx F = \sqrt{y + yy'^{2}} So then I apply the Euler-Lagrange...
  2. C

    Maximizing a functional when the Euler-Lagrange equation's solution violates ICs

    Hi, I am trying to minimize: \int_0^\infty{\exp(-t)(t\,f'(t)-f(t))^2\,dt} by choice of f, subject to f(0)=1 and f'(x)>0 for all x. The (real) solution to the Euler-Lagrange differential equation is: f(t)={C_1}t rather unsurprisingly. However, this violates f(0)=1. If...
  3. D

    Why Can't η'(x) Be Arbitrary in the Euler-Lagrange Equation?

    If we have a functional J(y)=\int L(y,y',x)dx then the first variation is \delta J=\int\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial y}\eta(x)+\frac{\partial L}{\partial y'}\eta'(x)\right)dx, where \eta(x) is the variation of the stationary solution. Now, if L is independent of y(x), then...
  4. B

    Deriving Field Equations for Real Vector Fields using Euler-Lagrange (Tensors)

    Homework Statement Show that the Lagrangian density: L=- 1/2 [\partial_\alpha \phi_\beta ][\partial^\alpha \phi^\beta ]+1/2 [\partial_\alpha \phi^\alpha ][\partial_\beta \phi^\beta ]+1/2 \mu^2 \phi_\alpha \phi^\alpha for the real vector field \phi^\alpha (x) leads to the field equations...
  5. P

    Solution of Euler-Lagrange equation

    I have the following Lagrangian: \mathcal{L} = 1/2 \partial_{\mu} \varphi \partial^{\mu} \varphi - 1/2 b ( \varphi^{2} - a^{2} )^{2} , where a,b \in \mathbb{R}_{>0} and \varphi is a real (scalar) field and x are spacetime-coordinates. I calculated the Euler-Lagrange eq. and get...
  6. A

    Calculus of Variations Euler-Lagrange Diff. Eq.

    I'm in dire need of help in understanding calculus of variations. My professor uses the Mathews and Walker text, second edition, entitled Mathematical Methods of Physics and, he has a tendency to skip around from chapters found towards the beginning of the text to those nearer the end. I...
  7. P

    Derivation of Euler-Lagrange Equation

    I am stuck in trying to understand the derivation of the Euler-Lagrange equation. This mathematical move is really bothering me, I can't figure out why it is true. \frac{\partial f(y,y';x)}{\partial\alpha}=\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial\alpha}+\frac{\partial...
  8. R

    Simplifying the Euler-Lagrange Equation for Explicitly Independent Functions

    Homework Statement If the integrand f(y, y', x) does not depend explicitly on x, that is, f = f(y, y') then \frac{df}{dx} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}y' + \frac{ \partial f } {\partial y' } y''Use the Euler-Lagrange equation to replace \partial f / \partial y on the right and hence show...
  9. D

    Simple Derivation of Euler-Lagrange Equations

    I'm trying to deduce the equations of motion in the form \frac{d}{dt} \frac{\partial \cal L}{\partial \dot{q}} - \frac{\partial \cal L}{\partial q} = 0 with little algebra directly from Hamilton's principle, like the geometric derivation of snell's law from the principle of least time. It...
  10. N

    How Can I Understand Euler-Lagrange Equations in Physics?

    I'm taking a Physics class at Stanford U. and I am having difficulty understanding how to mathematically understand or translate the Euler-LaGrange equations of motion in both Classical and Quantum Field Theory. Any sort of English translation, background or hinting as to what type of math I...
  11. N

    Euler-Lagrange Equation for Functional S

    Homework Statement Let P be a rectangle , f_{0} : \partial P \rightarrow R) continuous and Lipschitz, C_{0} = \{ f \in C^{2}(P) : f=f_{0} \ on \ \partial P \}. and finally S : C_{0} \rightarrow R a functional: S(f) = \int^b_a (\int^d_c (\frac{\partial f}{\partial x})^{2}\,dy)\,dx +...
  12. N

    How Can Maxwell's Equations Be Derived Using the Euler-Lagrange Equation?

    Homework Statement I'm asked to get Maxwell's equations using the Euler-lagrange equation: \partial\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial\left\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu}\right)}\right)-\frac{\partial L}{\partial A_{\nu}}=0 with the EM Langrangian density...
  13. haushofer

    Variations, Euler-Lagrange, and Stokes

    Hi, I have some questions which I encountered during my thesis-writing, I hope some-one can help me out on this :) First, I have some problems interpreting coordinate-transformations ( "active and passive") and the derivation of the Equations of Motion. We have S = \int L(\phi...
  14. S

    Euler-Lagrange equations in QFT?

    Euler-Lagrange equations in QFT?? Hi, I have a problem with a Wikipedia entry::bugeye: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler-Lagrange_equation The equations of motion in your quantized theory (2nd quantization) are d/dtF^=[F^,H^] i.e the quantized version of d/dtF={F,H}. My notation: F^ is the...
  15. E

    Where can I find a comprehensive derivation of the Euler-Lagrange equation?

    Can someone link me to a thorough online derivation of the Euler-Lagrange equation from the principle of least action?
  16. S

    Verifying that the Euler-Lagrange equation uses generalized coordinates

    This is a question that I'm asking myself for my own understanding, not a homework question. I realize that in most derivations of the Euler-Lagrange equations the coordinate system is assumed to be general. However, just to make sure, I want to apply the "brute force" method (as Shankar...
  17. O

    Principle of Least Action & Euler-Lagrange Equations

    I'll just throw down some definitions and then ask my question on this one. In a conservative system, the Lagrangian, in generalised coordinates, is defined as the kinetic energy minus the potential energy. L=L(q_i,\dot{q}_i,t) = K(q_i,\dot{q}_i,t) - P(q_i,t). All q_i here being functions...
  18. G

    Euler-Lagrange Equations for Schördinger Eq.

    Euler-Lagrange equations for the Lagrangian density \mathcal{L} = V\psi \psi^* + \frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\partial \psi}{\partial x}\frac{\partial \psi^*}{\partial x} + \frac{1}{2}\left(i\hbar \frac{\partial \psi^*}{\partial t} \psi- i\hbar \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t} \psi^*\right) gives...
  19. O

    Simple calculus - interpretation Euler-Lagrange equation

    This is not a homework question but one that is part of the course material and I can't really move on until I understand the basic calculus. I have a problem interpreting "d by dx of partial dF by dy' equals partial d by dy' of dF by dx" in the following question, which I set out and then...
  20. T

    Minimum Surface Area Cylinder using Euler-Lagrange Equation?

    So, I've been reading Thornton and Marion's "Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems" and have gotten to the chapter on the calculus of variations. In trying the end of chapter problems, I find I'm totally baffled by 6-9: given the volume of a cylinder, find the ratio of the height to the...
  21. A

    Missing step: Euler-Lagrange equations for the action integral

    Hi its me again, stuck once more. Sorry guys and gals :P Ok a problem I found on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_%28physics%29 In a 1-D case how do we get from: \delta S = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} [L(x + \varepsilon, \dot{x} + \dot{\varepsilon})-L(x,\dot{x})]dt to: \delta S = \int_{t_1}^{t_2}...
  22. M

    Applications of Euler-Lagrange Equation

    hey, In my physics class we are now learinging beginging to learn about lagrange ion mechanics and I am a little stuck on the basics of it particularly fermat's principle (dealing with light travel) and applications of the Euler-Lagrange Equation, I can't seem to get many of the problems at the...
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