1996 AP Exam Question: Lab Situation with spring

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving an ideal spring, focusing on determining the spring constant, analyzing oscillations, and weighing an object using a spring scale with a limited capacity. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically related to springs and oscillatory motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various methods to determine the weight of an object exceeding the spring scale's limit, including the use of pulley systems, lever systems, and multiple scales in parallel. Questions arise about the application of torque and the positioning of the fulcrum in relation to the spring's maximum force.

Discussion Status

There is an active exploration of different approaches to the problem, with some participants suggesting the use of torque and others considering the practicality of using multiple scales. While no consensus has been reached, several productive ideas have been shared regarding the setup and methodology.

Contextual Notes

The problem constraints include the limitation of the spring scale to a maximum of 25N and the requirement to use commonly available equipment. Participants are also considering how to effectively measure weight without exceeding this limit.

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A spring that can be assumed ideal hangs (vertically) from a stand.
a. You wish to determine the spring constant k of the spring.
i. What additional equipment do you need?
ii. What measurements would you make?
iii. How would k be determined from these measurements?
b. Assume the spring constant is 500 N/m. A 2 kg mass is attached to the end of the spring and released from rest. Determine the frequency of the oscillation of the mass.
c. Suppose that the spring is now used in a spring scale that is limited to a maximum value of 25N, but you would like to weigh an object of mass M that weighs more than 25N. You must use commonly available equipment and the spring scale to determine the weight without breaking the scale.
i. Draw a clear diagram that shows one way that the equipment could be used with the spring scale to determine the weight of the object.
ii. Explain how you would make the determination.


Fspring = kx
freq = 1/2pi * sqrt(k/m)




I did a and b easy, so you don't need to explain those to me. I'm lost without a paddle for c though, and the only thing I can think of is if you used a string, put the scale so it is parallel to the ground, put the string around a pulley, and put the mass perpendicular to the ground and use torque to figure of the weight. Other than that I'm stumped
 
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Using a pulley system or a lever system and measuring the force from the generated torque is a good way to do it, i think.

Could you use 2 scales in parallel to measure the force/weight? That would be the simplest, I'd think.
 
I agree. Using two or more springs in parallel would distribute the weight evenly over the springs, so you wouldn't exceed the maximum scale reading allowed on each spring scale.
 
"now used in a spring scale that is limited to a maximum value of 25N, but you would like to weigh an object of mass M that weighs more than 25N. You must use commonly available equipment and the spring scale to determine the weight"

one spring scale but I think the torque thing is fine, thanks
 
but i am having a little trouble figuring out how i can determine the weight using torque.

Does anyone have any ideas?
 
Imagine a seesaw with one end connected to your unknown mass and the spring attached between the other end and a rigid floor. Now, what happens when you move the fulcrum (or pivot point)? If the maximum force that can be applied by the spring is 25N, how can you relate the position of the fulcrum to the maximum force applied at the other end?
 

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