2008 F=ma Olympiad Problems # 10 + 11

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems related to an experiment involving a heavy wooden block being pulled across a level surface. Participants are analyzing data that includes force and acceleration measurements to determine the mass of the block and the coefficient of friction.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration using F = ma, but some express confusion over varying mass calculations. There are attempts to relate static and kinetic friction to the equations governing the motion of the block. Questions arise about the accuracy of the provided data and how to handle multiple unknowns in the equations.

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Some participants have offered insights into the calculations and the implications of friction on the equations. There is acknowledgment of potential data discrepancies, and a few participants have made progress in determining values for mass and friction, although consensus on the best approach has not been reached.

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Participants are working with experimental data that may contain errors, and there are discussions about the implications of using different types of friction in the calculations. The original poster expresses difficulty in understanding the answers provided for the problems.

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These two problems are based one some data from an experiment. Of course, experiment often don't carry out perfectly matching theory... And I'm having some difficulty understanding the answer.

Problem:

The following information applies to the next two problems

An experiment consists of pulling a heavy wooden block across a level surface with a spring force meter, the constant force for each try is recorded, as is the acceleration of the block. The data are shown below.

Force F in Newtons:_____3.05__|__3.45__|__4.05__|__4.45__|__5.05
Acceleration a in m/s2:___0.095_|__0.205_|__0.295_|__0.405_|__0.495

10) Which is the best value for the mass of the block?
a)3kg
b)5kg
c)10kg
d)20kg
e)30kg

11) Which is the best value for the coefficient of friction between the block and the surface?
a)0.05
b)0.07
c)0.09
d)0.5
e)0.6

Answer: 10)b 11)a

Would someone please explain the answer? THank you very much~
 
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What are your thoughts on this so far?

EDIT: I'd check your data as well.
 
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I saw that they gave F and a, so F = ma, I tried to find m, except that the m i obtained is different every time, varying from 30 to 10kg.

#11 i guessed it correctly, but i didn't have much reasoning. Static friction is the force that the spring has to overcome in order to accelerate the block. So max static friction force is mg*mus, which equals Ffr and Fspring - Ffr = F of the spring.
 
If it is accelerating it will be kinetic friction. If friction is present how will you have to modify the F=ma equation?

Again, check your data. I managed to find the paper online and the data is slightly different on there.
 
Thank you for noticing the typo in the data!

Well for #10:
If Kinetic friction exists, then F = ma = Fspring - Ffriction
F = Fspring - m*g*mukinetic?

Since there are two unknowns: muk and m, just take two cases to set up two equations?

AH HAH! I took the first and the last trial and got m = 5kg!

And I'm assuming that they are asking for the kinetic friction?
nd yes, i got 0.0485!

THank you very much :D
 
If it was a true experiment the results would have been graphed and the gradient is the mass and the intercept would give you the term with mu in it. Well done!
 
hm... Don't quite understand how you relate the graph of F vs. a to gradient (you mean the vector gradient?).

Also another question in 2008 Test:
http://aapt.org/Contests/upload/olympiad_2008_fnet_ma.pdf"
#18 The answer is c

Is it because that... the gravitational force is exerted by the Center of Mass of the ring? Is that why the new maximum speed is the same? But then since the two rings have the same mass density, wouldn't they have different mass?

I tried to apply F = \frac{Gm_{particle}M_{ring}}{r^2}, does M increase by a factor of 4? But I'm not sure how.

And number 19... I have no idea where to start...

I listed out some equations that relates to Power: P = dW/dt = Fv...
 
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Sorry for the late reply. The PDF doesn't appear to be available any more. As for the force on a particle given by a ring of mass, you can't just use Newton's law for point masses. Do you know how to treat extended masses?

If the rings have the same mass density but different sizes then they will have different total masses.
 
does anyone happen to have an answer key for last year's exam that is posted?
 

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