√(5-6*x)*ln(4*√(x)-√(a))=√(5-6*x)*ln(2*x+a)

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The discussion revolves around the equation √(5-6*x)*ln(4*√(x)-√(a))=√(5-6*x)*ln(2*x+a) and the conditions under which it has only one solution for the variable 'a'. Participants explore mathematical approaches, particularly focusing on quadratic equations and their properties.

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  • Some participants propose that x=5/6 should not be considered a solution as it leads to both sides being zero, allowing division by √(5-6*x).
  • One participant suggests transforming the equation into a quadratic form and determining conditions for it to have only one positive root.
  • Another participant mentions the need for the discriminant of the quadratic to equal zero for there to be a single solution.
  • There are discussions about the implications of various values of 'a' and their effects on the roots of the quadratic equation.
  • Some participants express confusion about the correct interpretation of the problem and the conditions for 'a'.
  • One participant states that if a=1, then x=1, questioning the validity of the previously discussed ranges for 'a'.
  • Multiple participants engage in simplifying the logarithmic equation and express differing views on the implications of their simplifications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the values of 'a' that satisfy the original equation. There are competing views on the conditions required for the equation to have a single solution, with some participants suggesting ranges for 'a' while others challenge those ranges.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equation involves conditions related to the domain of the logarithmic and square root functions, which may affect the validity of proposed solutions. There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the quadratic equation and its discriminant.

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Sqrt (5-6*x)*ln(4*sqr(x)-sqr(a))=sqrt(5-6*x)*ln(2*x+a)

Find all possible a when an equation has only one possible solution.
 
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First we have to assume that x= 5/6 is not a solution since that would make both sides 0 no matter what a is. In that case, we can divide both sides by "Sqrt (5-6*x)" to make the equation ln(4*sqr(x)-sqr(a))=ln(2*x+a), Since ln is a one-to-one function we must have 4\sqrt{x}- \sqrt{a}= 2x+ a. Let y= \sqrt{x} so that y^2= x. The equation becomes 4y- \sqrt{a}= 2y^2+ a or 2y^2- 4y+ a- \sqrt{a}= 0. Since y= \sqrt{a}, y must be positive. a must be such that the quadratic equation 2y^2- 4y+ a- \sqrt{a}= 0 has only one positive root. Use the quadratic formula to determine what a must be.
 
I am sorry, but I am unable to determine it. But if I won't solve it, I am dead man(
 
What do you know about quadratic equations?

$$ax^2+bx+c=0\implies x=\frac{-b\pm\sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a}$$

The desired quadratic has only one real root so you are looking for $b^2-4ac=0$ (with $a$ as in the equation in this post). Apply that to the quadratic Country Boy gave.

When summarising the given problem I'd pay more attention to the trivial solution mentioned by Country Boy.
 
By the quadratic formula, which greg1313 wrote out for you, the solutions to the quadratic equation [math]2y^2- 4y+ a- \sqrt{a}= 0[/math] are given by

[math]\frac{4\pm\sqrt{16- 8(a-\sqrt{a})}}{4}[/math].

Clearly taking the "+" sign gives a positive root. In order that there be only one positive root we must have [math]4-\sqrt{16- 8(a- \sqrt{a})}< 0[/math]. From that, [math]\sqrt{16- 8(a- \sqrt{a})}> 4[/math] and, squaring both sides, [math]16- 8(a- \sqrt{a})> 16[/math] so [math]8(a- \sqrt{a})< 0[/math], [math]a< \sqrt{a}[/math].

Now, what must \(a\) be?
 
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So it doesn't have solution? My teacher states on that it has
 
Forces me to solve it ultimatively
 
Teacher gives me result

(-5/3; -1/2] [2/3; 5/3)

Is it correct?
 
Sorry, I have confused you. Should be written like

sqrt (5-6x)*ln(4x^2-a^2)=sqrt(5-6x)*ln(2x+a)So sorry
 
  • #10
4x^2-a^2 - 2x - a = 0

So we need to find a values when D=0?

And if a=1, then it's quadrant equation?
 
  • #11
Avalance789 said:
Sorry, I have confused you. Should be written like

sqrt (5-6x)*ln(4x^2-a^2)=sqrt(5-6x)*ln(2x+a)So sorry

Okay, so the equation is:

$$\sqrt{5-6x}\ln\left(4x^2-a^2\right)=\sqrt{5-6x}\ln\left(2x+a\right)$$

Let's arrange as:

$$\sqrt{5-6x}\ln\left(4x^2-a^2\right)-\sqrt{5-6x}\ln\left(2x+a\right)=0$$

Factor:

$$\sqrt{5-6x}\left(\ln\left(4x^2-a^2\right)-\ln\left(2x+a\right)\right)=0$$

Apply log rule for subtraction:

$$\sqrt{5-6x}\ln\left(\frac{4x^2-a^2}{2x+a}\right)=0$$

Factor log argument:

$$\sqrt{5-6x}\ln\left(\frac{(2x+a)(2x-a)}{2x+a}\right)=0$$

Divide out common factors:

$$\sqrt{5-6x}\ln(2x-a)=0$$

Okay, now I would first look at the square root, and observe that in order for the equation to have only 1 solution, we need:

$$5-6x>0\implies x<\frac{5}{6}$$

Now, in order for the equation to be true with respect to the factor involving \(a\), we require:

$$2x-a=1\implies x=\frac{a+1}{2}$$

And so:

$$\frac{a+1}{2}<\frac{5}{6}$$

$$a+1<\frac{5}{3}$$

$$a<\frac{2}{3}$$
 
  • #12
MarkFL said:
Okay, so the equation is:

$$\sqrt{5-6x}\ln\left(4x^2-a^2\right)=\sqrt{5-6x}\ln\left(2x+a\right)$$
Mark, seems to me that above easily/instantly simplifies to:
4x^2 - a^2 = 2x + a

No?
 
  • #13
And after that simplification?
 
  • #14
Wilmer said:
Mark, seems to me that above easily/instantly simplifies to:
4x^2 - a^2 = 2x + a

No?

Yes, and I saw that after going through the laborious log shuffle, but we will get to the same place. But, we still need to be mindful of the domain.
 
  • #15
Just tell me if a<2/3 is correct answer. I will be happiest person on Earth, guys
 
  • #16
Avalance789 said:
Just tell me if a<2/3 is correct answer. I will be happiest person on Earth, guys

Something I didn't consider when I simplified is that:

$$4x^2-a^2>0$$

$$4\left(\frac{a+1}{2}\right)^2-a^2>0$$

$$(a+1)^2-a^2>0$$

$$(a+1+a)(a+1-a)>0$$

$$2a+1>0\implies a>-\frac{1}{2}$$

Now, suppose $$x=\frac{5}{6}$$

Then we have:

$$4\left(\frac{5}{6}\right)^2-a^2>0$$

$$\left(\frac{5}{3}\right)^2-a^2>0$$

$$|a|<\frac{5}{3}$$

So, what does all this imply?
 
  • #17
Wilmer said:
4x^2 - a^2 = 2x + a

$$4x^2-a^2=(2x+a)(2x-a)$$
 
  • #18
greg1313 said:
$$4x^2-a^2=(2x+a)(2x-a)$$
Yes...but this was the OP's:
$$\sqrt{5-6x}\ln\left(4x^2-a^2\right)=\sqrt{5-6x}\ln\left(2x+a\right)$$
 
  • #19
Ah, pardon me.
 
  • #20
greg1313 said:
Ah, pardon me.
Only if you recite the Hooooooly Rosary twice !
 
  • #21
Ок, but if a=1, then x=1.

Cannot be that -5/3<a<5/3
 

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