555 timer circuit; frequency variation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the discrepancies observed in the frequency output of a 555 timer circuit compared to theoretical calculations. Participants explore the implications of component tolerances, power supply conditions, and the reliability of the formula used for frequency calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) calculated a frequency of 6.857 Hz using the formula 1.44/(Ra + 2Rb)C, but observed a frequency of 1.429 Hz using data studio, leading to questions about the cause of this discrepancy.
  • Some participants suggest that the tolerances of the resistors and capacitor could account for the frequency variation, but the OP notes that these factors do not fully explain the large difference.
  • One participant questions the reliability of the formula, suggesting that while it should provide a rough estimate, other factors may influence the output.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of power supply voltage and regulation, noting that low voltage or ripple could affect the chip's performance, although the OP reports a stable 6V supply with minimal ripple.
  • There is a suggestion to test multiple 555 timer chips to see if the results are consistent across different units.
  • Concerns are raised about the capacitor tolerance and its potential impact on the circuit's performance, with the OP mentioning that measurements indicated the capacitor was functioning correctly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the factors contributing to the frequency discrepancy, with no consensus reached on the primary cause. Some agree on the potential influence of component tolerances, while others emphasize the role of power supply conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the formula used does not account for supply voltage variations, and there are unresolved questions about the accuracy of the calculations and the impact of component tolerances.

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I conducted an experiment involving a 555IC timer circuit and the hypothesis investigated the frequency and period of the LED connected.

Using the formula for frequency; 1.44/(Ra + 2Rb)C
where R1= 1000R
R2= 10000R
C = 10uF

the frequency equals 6.857 (rounded value)

now using data studio (a reliable computer program which can graph the frequency) the frequency equals 1.429 (rounded value)

Now, I've taken into consideration the 5% tolerance of the resistors used, and the variation on the capacitor as these may account for the changed frequency but this still doesn't explain this rather large difference in expected frequency and observed frequency...

Any explanations for this large difference?
 
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I've never trusted that new-fangled math stuff, but the 555 is so old school that that formula should get you into the right ballpark. Have you tried a couple more chips to see if they are all the same? What is your power-supply voltage and regulation? I could see a low power voltage or a lot of ripple fooling the chip's comparators, as they fire at 1/3 and 2/3 of the supply.
 
If the supply voltage is not figured into the formula, which I don't believe it is, then it should make no difference as long as it is within the specs on the data sheet. I would suspect capacitor tolerance.
 
schip666! said:
I've never trusted that new-fangled math stuff, but the 555 is so old school that that formula should get you into the right ballpark. Have you tried a couple more chips to see if they are all the same? What is your power-supply voltage and regulation? I could see a low power voltage or a lot of ripple fooling the chip's comparators, as they fire at 1/3 and 2/3 of the supply.

I checked the power supply voltage and regulation and it is 6V and the regulation is very high. So the ripple is minimal.

Also i have tried a few chips all returning the same results.

Thanks for the other advice about the capacitor tolerance. I measured it with the capacitance meter and it seemed fine, but I'll try a few more capacitors.
 
Averagesupernova said:
If the supply voltage is not figured into the formula, which I don't believe it is, then it should make no difference as long as it is within the specs on the data sheet. I would suspect capacitor tolerance.

I was thinking if the supply voltage was quite low, the tolerance between the switching voltages on the capacitor (dis)charging circuit might swamp the calculation. But the OP seems to have good power so that's not an issue.

It's been a while since I used a 555 and I think I just poked capacitors into the circuit until I got the time I wanted, so I don't remember how accurate the calculation is...
 

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