8.9 earthquake in Japan: tsunami warnings

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An 8.9 magnitude earthquake struck near the east coast of Honshu, Japan, triggering tsunami warnings and resulting in significant destruction, including a reported 10-meter wave hitting Sendai. Initial reports indicate at least 200 to 300 bodies were found in the northeastern coastal city, with the death toll expected to rise. The earthquake caused issues at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, prompting evacuations and concerns over cooling system failures, though officials stated there was no radiation leak. The tsunami is projected to affect areas across the Pacific, with warnings issued for the U.S. West Coast and Hawaii. The situation remains critical as aftershocks continue and rescue efforts are underway.
  • #541
Here is a link to an "audio" of the quake, as recorded deep underwater (1000 meters) with a 16X speed increase. There is also some new footage:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110318/ts_yblog_thelookout/listen-to-japans-massive-quake
 
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  • #542
nismaratwork said:
I'll admit, the misuse of oil money is horrible, but some twit with a cropduster and spent fuel could do a LOT of damage.

Or a simple truck spraying oil on dirt roads to eliminate dust.

This is an image of the Route 66 State Park in Missouri. If you look close, you'll notice the trees seem to grow in lanes. That's because the park used to be a small city called Times Beach. The lanes are the old dirt roads that had to be oiled to keep the dust down.

The person hired to do the oiling was a guy named Russell Bliss. Aside from hauling waste and oiling roads, he also subcontracted with a company called IPC to dispose of some of their waste. ICP was being paid $3,000 a load to haul toxic waste from a chemical company called Northeastern Pharmaceutical and Chemical Company and they would then turn around and pay Bliss $100 a load to dispose of it.

He disposed of it by mixing it with the oil he used to spray roads, stables, etc for miscellaneous customers, including the city of Times Beach. He dumped so much dioxin on the city roads that the federal government bought up the entire town, moved the residents, and then dug up a layer of topsoil, roads, etc to be incinerated.

Now the spot where the town used to be is the Route 66 State Park.

It doesn't take a terrorist - just some ignorant old guy that never finished high school that has no idea of what he's disposing of (of course, the fact that he mixed it with engine oil to dispose of it suggests he knew more than he ever admitted).
 
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  • #543
BobG said:
Or a simple truck spraying oil on dirt roads to eliminate dust.

This is an image of the Route 66 State Park in Missouri. If you look close, you'll notice the trees seem to grow in lanes. That's because the park used to be a small city called Times Beach. The lanes are the old dirt roads that had to be oiled to keep the dust down.

The person hired to do the oiling was a guy named Russell Bliss. Aside from hauling waste and oiling roads, he also subcontracted with a company called IPC to dispose of some of their waste. ICP was being paid $3,000 a load to haul toxic waste from a chemical company called Northeastern Pharmaceutical and Chemical Company and they would then turn around and pay Bliss $100 a load to dispose of it.

He disposed of it by mixing it with the oil he used to spray roads, stables, etc for miscellaneous customers, including the city of Times Beach. He dumped so much dioxin on the city roads that the federal government bought up the entire town, moved the residents, and then dug up a layer of topsoil, roads, etc to be incinerated.

Now the spot where the town used to be is the Route 66 State Park.

It doesn't take a terrorist - just some ignorant old guy that never finished high school that has no idea of what he's disposing of (of course, the fact that he mixed it with engine oil to dispose of it suggests he knew more than he ever admitted).

Now that is deeply depressing... kind of the casual idiot version of that pathetic man who poisoined that tree in... Alabama?... I forget. Casual cruelty and idiocy really REALLY piss me off on a deep level, especially when it does so much harm to people, animals, and the environment in general.

Heck, I can't imagine how long it took to burn off that oil... you can only fire so many LP burners and use so many shovels at once.
 
  • #544
Mag 6.1 - http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc00026q2.php#maps
Date-Time:
Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 09:56:51 UTC
Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 06:56:51 PM at epicenter

Location: 36.810°N, 140.375°E
Depth: 24.9 km (15.5 miles)

Distances:
52 km (32 miles) NE of Utsunomiya, Honshu, Japan
53 km (32 miles) WSW of Iwaki, Honshu, Japan
56 km (34 miles) NNW of Mito, Honshu, Japan
140 km (86 miles) NNE of TOKYO, Japan


The good news is that the frequency of earthquakes is decreasing as is the intensity - despite the occasional mag6+
 
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  • #545
Astronuc said:
Mag 6.1 - http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc00026q2.php#maps
Date-Time:
Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 09:56:51 UTC
Saturday, March 19, 2011 at 06:56:51 PM at epicenter

Location: 36.810°N, 140.375°E
Depth: 24.9 km (15.5 miles)

Distances:
52 km (32 miles) NE of Utsunomiya, Honshu, Japan
53 km (32 miles) WSW of Iwaki, Honshu, Japan
56 km (34 miles) NNW of Mito, Honshu, Japan
140 km (86 miles) NNE of TOKYO, Japan


The good news is that the frequency of earthquakes is decreasing as is the intensity - despite the occasional mag6+

That is very good news... I just wish we knew more about seimology as a species so that could be made into some kind of prediction beyond a trend. Ah well.
 
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  • #546
Sitting silent in their classroom, the 30 children whose parents have not come to collect them after tsunami swept away their town

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ren-sit-silent-classroom-parents-vanish.html"
Last updated at 1:43 AM on 18th March 2011


Even amid the carnage and despair of Japan's tsunami victims, the plight of the 30 children at Kama Elementary School is heartbreaking.

They sit quietly in the corner of a third-floor classroom where they have waited each day since the tsunami swept into the town of Ishinomaki for their parents to collect them. So far, no one has come and few at the school now believe they will.

Teachers think that some of the boys and girls, aged between eight and 12, know their fathers and mothers are among the missing and will never again turn up at the gates of the school on the eastern outskirts of the town, but they are saying nothing.

article-1366898-0B31EC8200000578-460_964x591.jpg



http://www.redcross.org/portal/site...oid=7c521079115ce210VgnVCM10000089f0870aRCRD"
 
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  • #547
That is... :cry:

But there are some light in the 'darkness'!

Japan: 16-year-old boy and 80-year-old woman rescued after 9 days
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/police-80-yeawr-old-woman-teenager-rescued-9-20110320-021635-546.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d3LPr13PyA

Amazing...
 
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  • #548
Yes. It is always good to see a twinkle of light in the darkness.

http://english.aljazeera.net/video/asia-pacific/2011/03/201132024520689503.html"
A group of boys turns misfortune into good deeds by spearheading relief efforts for quake and tsunami victims.

A group of boys has taken it upon themselves to scavenge for food and supplies among the debris in Taro, where their village once stood.

They have been able to provide some relief to hundreds of survivors sheltered at a nearby Buddhist temple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhDn2DP2gTk
 
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  • #549
Some striking images being collected:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/03/japan_-_new_fears_as_the_trage.html#photo34

Most are by now familiar, although too abstract to be in the realms of ones own personal reality.

Here's a new one I haven't yet seen though:

pfiafaguich201103201046.jpg

A man shops in a convenience store where shelves on food aisles are left empty in Ofunato, Iwate Prefecture, March 15, 2011. (Shizuo Kambayashi/Associated Press)
 
  • #550
OmCheeto said:
pfiafaguich201103201046.jpg

A man shops in a convenience store where shelves on food aisles are left empty in Ofunato, Iwate Prefecture, March 15, 2011. (Shizuo Kambayashi/Associated Press)

Looks like stores in Poland in late seventies/early eighties. But the reasons were completely different.
 
  • #551
This... is not so great.

(Thanks for this link Greg!)

http://park30.wakwak.com/~weather/geiger_index.html

CPM on the geiger are steadily rising (and that's 230 KM away from Fukishima), radiation contamination of food in Japan is greater than expected, and oh yes... 2 of the reactors are smoking again.

Really, can't the Japanese catch a damned break here?!

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/21/japan.nuclear.food/index.html?hpt=T2

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/21/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?iref=NS1

CNN said:
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: A "very serious" crisis remains at the plant, the IAEA's director-general reports
NEW: WHO says there's no immediate health risk from contaminated food
Smoke emerged from two of the damaged reactors Monday evening, officials say
Tests and training are being done on a concrete pumper that may be used on Unit 4
 
  • #552
nismaratwork said:
Really, can't the Japanese catch a damned break here?!
On the bright side, the decay heat has been, and will subside further with time.

Has anyone seen any reports of estimated doses to on-site personnel yet? That may or may not be a bright side, since the news media probably would not avoid reporting estimated doses greater than the 25 rem limit, if they had any info.
 
  • #553
Al68 said:
On the bright side, the decay heat has been, and will subside further with time.

Has anyone seen any reports of estimated doses to on-site personnel yet? That may or may not be a bright side, since the news media probably would not avoid reporting estimated doses greater than the 25 rem limit, if they had any info.

I have to agree about the decay heat issue, that is welcome to think about.

I think we can assume that those initial 100 or so workers MUST have received at least an LD/50 dose, if not LD/75 or more. That much gamma radiation, the need to be hands on, the lack of fractionating the dose and the nature of the radiation...


...I'd be shocked if they got less than 4-6 Sv, and would expect that they've already undergone many acute symptoms and are in the "walking ghost" phase. Poor heroic bastards...

edit: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=japan-nuclear-fallout
 
  • #554
[PLAIN said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake]The[/PLAIN] troubles at Fukushima have in some ways overshadowed the natural catastrophe...
What? Have they forgotten the 10-20K people killed? What on Earth is wrong with these morons passing as journalists?
 
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  • #555
If they're talking about news coverage, then they're right. There have been far more reports regarding Fukushima than regarding the earthquake/tsunami.
 
  • #556
Angry Citizen said:
If they're talking about news coverage, then they're right. There have been far more reports regarding Fukushima than regarding the earthquake/tsunami.
That's because it preys on people's fears.
 
  • #557
Evo said:
That's because it preys on people's fears.

It's because the situation is still out of control and could get much worse.
 
  • #558
Ivan Seeking said:
It's because the situation is still out of control and could get much worse.

I think it's important to note (again) that there are many experts that disagree about how likely it is for the situation to get worse (and by what degree it could worsen).
 
  • #559
FlexGunship said:
I think it's important to note (again) that there are many experts that disagree about how likely it is for the situation to get worse (and by what degree it could worsen).

All the more reason to be wary: The "experts" can't even agree.

Reminds of the time Three Mile Island was in crisis and the two most knowledgeable people in the country wrt that system were screaming at each other and couldn't agree on how to proceed.

What I DO know is that the USS George Washington just moved to a safe distance. What a bunch of fearmongers. :biggrin:
 
  • #560
Ivan Seeking said:
Reminds of the time Three Mile Island was in crisis and the two most knowledgeable people in the country wrt that system were screaming at each other and couldn't agree on how to proceed.

Well, I don't think that's all that odd, really. And I don't think it's a cause for concern. Two military strategists might disagree about how to fight the same battle. Two programming experts might disagree about how to write a particular program. Two doctors might disagree about how to treat a particular disease.

If there was only one idea as to how to move through a crisis, I think I would be more worried.
 
  • #561
Maybe it's covered because the other is too damned grim, and how many times can you say, "whole swaths of villages and cities wiped away, families and all..." without tuning out?

This is a hook for people, and it's ongoing event rather than simply an aftermath. Remember, the news is entertainment, and there is more "thrill" in an unknown outcome, very little in seeing true grief and loss.

NOTE: Not a justifying, just explaining... I think it's a little sick myself.
 
  • #563
nismaratwork said:
That is very good news... I just wish we knew more about seimology as a species so that could be made into some kind of prediction beyond a trend. Ah well.
Seismic activity is again increasing in that region. A lot went towards Tokyo. A 9.0 can obviously cause a lot of stress transfer.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php
 
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  • #564
Passionflower said:
Seismic activity is again increasing in that region. A lot went towards Tokyo. A 9.0 can obviously cause a lot of stress transfer.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php

... And just like that *snap* it's not good news. :cry:
 
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  • #565
For those who are interested there is a near real time animation available that plots the quake and all aftershocks: http://www.japanquakemap.com/
 
  • #566
Depressing or not, it's very interesting, thank you Passionflower.
 
  • #567
Thanks Passionflower, that was very insightful.
 
  • #568
nismaratwork said:
I have to agree about the decay heat issue, that is welcome to think about.

I think we can assume that those initial 100 or so workers MUST have received at least an LD/50 dose, if not LD/75 or more. That much gamma radiation, the need to be hands on, the lack of fractionating the dose and the nature of the radiation...


...I'd be shocked if they got less than 4-6 Sv, and would expect that they've already undergone many acute symptoms and are in the "walking ghost" phase. Poor heroic bastards...

edit: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=japan-nuclear-fallout
Well, I'll only say that I hope you're wrong. And I'm sure you hope to be wrong, too.

It is interesting that there are still no reports about it, though.

But that could only mean the media doesn't know of anyone getting a dose over the limit yet because the info is being kept secret for now.
 
  • #569
Why would they publicly up the maximum dose to 250 mSv only to allow them to receive 4-6 Sv? There would be no point to the limit if it could be exceeded so readily.
 
  • #570
Angry Citizen said:
Why would they publicly up the maximum dose to 250 mSv only to allow them to receive 4-6 Sv? There would be no point to the limit if it could be exceeded so readily.
Nismar was referring to unintentional doses received initially prior to evacuation. 4-6 Sv is in the ballpark of the LD/50/30 dose, ie the dose that results in death within 30 days half the time (if no medical attention is received). It's not what anyone was "allowed" to receive as a matter of policy.

I have seen no reports of the dose estimates of those initial workers, which is why I asked if anyone had.
 

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