82-year-old who claims he has not had any food or water

[DaveC426913]

You know, for all those readers who have dismissed this as nonsense, it appears the claim does have some legs after all. It does seem to occurring in the light of rigorous and adequate observation under the eye of a doctor. I'm not suggesting there's anything to it yet, there's no mention of testing him to see if he's still healthy, but if he has gone 15 days without water, that alone is noteworthy.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

You know, for all those readers who have dismissed this as nonsense, it appears the claim does have some legs after all. It does seem to occurring in the light of rigorous and adequate observation under the eye of a doctor. I'm not suggesting there's anything to it yet, there's no mention of testing him to see if he's still healthy, but if he has gone 15 days without water, that alone is noteworthy.

I would like to know more about this doctor before I believe such amazing claims.

 

[stevenb]

... it appears the claim does have some legs after all...

The claim has had legs since its birth: - precisely two of them with webbed feet. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. - A big fat fraudulent duck.

 

[rtved]

I would like to know more about this doctor before I believe such amazing claims.

Perhaps you could have read the link which you have asked for.It is a team of doctors and other supporting medical staff and overseen by a biologist from defence research organisation of Government of India .

From the link:

So, on April 22(2010), Mr Jani re-entered the hospital for 15 days of tests. They ended on Thursday afternoon with doctors admitting that they were baffled by what they had seen.

and ...

Presenting their preliminary findings, Dr Shah was joined by biologist Dr Ilavashagn, director of the Defence Institute of Physiology and Allied Sciences (DIPAS)http://www.drdo.org/labs/dipas/index.html" , a heavily-funded department of the Defence Research and Development Organisation.

The doctors announced that despite apparently living on thin air for two weeks, the holy man was more healthy than someone half his age.

Blood tests, hormone profiles, MRIs and angiographs (imaging tests of the blood vessels) all pointed to the conclusion that Mr Jani had not needed to eat, drink or use the toilet once.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ars-Why-eminent-doctors-taking-seriously.html

Notes: Dr shah is the one who did the study in 2003 he is now helping the Defence (Military) organisation.

 

[Evo]

Notes: Dr shah is the one who did the study in 2003 he is now helping the Defence (Military) organisation.

‘Dr Shah has been in charge of three similar investigations over the past ten years, and he has never allowed independent verification.

'In 2000, he was asking for funds to investigate a man he claimed got his energy from the sun, just like plants do.

‘In 2003, he even approached NASA for funds to investigate Mr Jani, claiming astronauts might benefit from the research. This particular hospital, led by this particular doctor, keeps on making these claims without ever producing evidence or publishing research.’

Mr Edamaruku is convinced that Mr Jani must have had access to food and water at the hospital, and does not believe that he was kept under strict supervision around the clock.

He says that whenever the Rationalist Association has investigated individuals making similar claims, all have been exposed as frauds.

In 1999, they investigated a woman who claimed that she was the reincarnation of another Hindu goddess. For five years, she had remained alone in a small closet where it was claimed she had not eaten nor passed any urine or faeces.

In co-operation with the police, investigators from the association searched the room, finding a toilet hidden behind a shelf and a disguised hole through which she received food. Blood tests revealed the presence of glucose, indicating the intake of food.

To further prove the case, a gas was released into the room that made the woman vomit. The contents of her stomach were found to include pieces of recently-eaten chapatti and potatoes.

Looks like work by Dr Shaw is very questionable.

 

[stevenb]

What is interesting is that, in fact, the man did clearly have access to water. It says so explicitly. He was given water to wash his mouth out. The trick is so obvious. The water was measured afterwards to be sure that he didn't drink any. Can anyone guess how a magician could fool you in these circumstances? Gee, maybe the disappearing urine has something to do with it. I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

Also, I'll point out that a good magician always has more than one trick up his sleeve, and often has an assistant.

 

[rtved]

What is interesting is that, in fact, the man did clearly have access to water. It says so explicitly.

In the latest study he was allowed access to Water after 5th day.

He was given water to wash his mouth out. The trick is so obvious. The water was measured afterwards to be sure that he didn't drink any.

Not so obvious to many.Perhaps in the next study somebody can rope in criss angel or david blaine or... Even James Randy.

 

[Antiphon]

Lock him in a room for a month. Will he be Schroedinger's Fakir? The superposition of states in this case will be ouside the box between beleivers and skeptics.

 

[rtved]

Looks like work by Dr Shaw is very questionable.

Quite possible.BUT in the new study He is not In charge of the investigation.

 

[pallidin]

Unless his vital organs are bionic, there is no way they can continue to function without chemical sustenance.
Having no outside source, the human body will start feeding on itself; the human fat for the carbohydrates and the human muscle for amino acids/proteins. Thus, he would surely be skin and bones in just several months. Then he would die.

As for water, if he were in an extremely humid air environment AND immersed in water up to his neck, his lungs and skin "might" absorb enough water to survive. But not likely for very long.

In short, I call this claim BOGUS.

 

[Evo]

Copuldn't someone that has been training his body for 60 years to go for prolonged periods of not eating or drinking easily go 15 days?

 

[Evo]

Quite possible.BUT in the new study He is not In charge of the investigation.

Dr Shaw is in charge of this one too.

Challenged to prove that he could survive without food or water, in 2003 he underwent his first hospital investigations. Then, as now, he was placed under the care of Dr Sudhir Shah.

Also this sheds real doubt on the "test".

Sanal Edamaruku, the association’s secretary general, told the Mail: ‘I asked to be allowed to send an independent team to survey the room where this test is taking place, but I was repeatedly turned down.

 

[rtved]

Unless his vital organs are bionic, there is no way they can continue to function without chemical sustenance.
.

If it is so it will show up in Imaging instruments like MRI.

 

[rtved]

Dr Shaw is in charge of this one too.

Nope.The Dipaps(http://www.drdo.org/labs/dipas/index.html ) is in charge.Dr shaw is a facilitator.

The person from dipaps has this to say:

Dr Ilavazhagn said: ‘Clinical, biochemical, radiological and other relevant examinations were done on Prahlad Jani and all reports were within the safe range throughout the study. He is healthy, his mind is sharp.

'What is truly astonishing, and something we have no explanation for, is that he has not passed stools or urine. To my knowledge, that is medically unprecedented.’

One can hide food under his robes but you cannot hide the stinking sh*it

Any how one has to wait for the detailed report from Dipaps.

Also this sheds real doubt on the "test".

Sanal Edamaruku, the association’s secretary general, told the Mail: ‘I asked to be allowed to send an independent team to survey the room where this test is taking place, but I was repeatedly turned down.

This claim was for the tests done earlier by Shah.For the present test Involving Dipaps Sanal Edamaruku didnt make any claim.
Check Indian rationalists association site
http://www.rationalistinternational.net/.

This association apparently did a good Job in exposing many frauds.

 

[Evo]

Nope.The Dipaps(http://www.drdo.org/labs/dipas/index.html ) is in charge.Dr shaw is a facilitator.

The person from dipaps has this to say:

Dr Ilavazhagn said: ‘Clinical, biochemical, radiological and other relevant examinations were done on Prahlad Jani and all reports were within the safe range throughout the study. He is healthy, his mind is sharp.

'What is truly astonishing, and something we have no explanation for, is that he has not passed stools or urine. To my knowledge, that is medically unprecedented.’

One can hide food under his robes but you cannot hide the stinking sh*it

Any how one has to wait for the detailed report from Dipaps.

If he fasted a couple of days first and cleared his bowels with a colonic, he'd have no stool. Even *I* know that and I am not a doctor. In cases where there is very little water, there won't be enough to urinate, or so little to just barely wet his clothing.

 

[pallidin]

'What is truly astonishing, and something we have no explanation for, is that he has not passed stools or urine. To my knowledge, that is medically unprecedented.’

Not only medically unprecedented, but medically IMPOSSIBLE.

An active biological organism will produce 'waste products"

Recycling can only exist on a very limited scale. There are significant TOXIC components of human waste that will kill the human if not eliminated.

 

[rtved]

If he fasted a couple of days first and cleared his bowels with a colonic, he'd have no stool.

Since for the first 5 days of the study he was not allowed bathing facilities he would not be able hide what he cleared from his ,errr ...Guts.

 

[rtved]

Not only medically unprecedented, but medically IMPOSSIBLE.

An active biological organism will produce 'waste products"

Recycling can only exist on a very limited scale. There are significant TOXIC components of human waste that will kill the human if not eliminated.

Correct, And that is what makes it miraculous or an ingenious fraud.

The question is how the premier Defence organisation fell for it?.

 

[Evo]

Since for the first 5 days of the study he was not allowed Toilet facilities he would not be able hide what he cleared from his ,errr ...Guts.

I am talking about before he started the test.

 

[pallidin]

Correct, And that is what makes it miraculous or an ingenious fraud.

The question is how the premier Defence organisation fell for it?.

Yeah, I hear you on that!
Perhaps some in their Defense Ministry have a less-than-scientific background, and some sort of cultural predisposition to a blind acceptance of the "bizarre"

 

[rtved]

Yeah, I hear you on that!
Perhaps some in their Defense Ministry have a less-than-scientific background, and some sort of cultural predisposition to a blind acceptance of the "bizarre"

Possible, but highly unlikely.So, one has to wait for the Detailed report on results of tests conducted and peer review.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

Looks like work by Dr Shaw is very questionable.

That was the point I was making. This is ridiculous, the man has had water, and his doctor is a fraud or a lunatic. This seems like a closed case to me.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

Possible, but highly unlikely.So, one has to wait for the Detailed report on results of tests conducted and peer review.

Because they have religious beliefs they wish to see confirmed, or which lead them to believe this is possible? It does not seem a stretch to posit this. There will be no peer reviewed report that does not end with, "haha, you are kidding, are you not?"

 

[pallidin]

Possible, but highly unlikely.So, one has to wait for the Detailed report on results of tests conducted and peer review.

I wonder if any international medical organization is allowed to independently study this.
Or, is this solely on "their" word.

If the latter becomes the case, it means nothing to most of us. Guess we'll see.

 

[pallidin]

Because they have religious beliefs they wish to see confirmed, or which lead them to believe this is possible? It does not seem a stretch to posit this.

Indeed, I tend to agree with you.

 

[rewebster]

you guys are all going to be sorry when he either falls over dead or starts floating around his room on his carpet

 

[pallidin]

you guys are all going to be sorry when he either falls over dead or starts floating around his room on his carpet

I'm looking forward to it. He's a hoax.
Nothing tells me otherwise (in my opinion)

 

[IcedEcliptic]

you guys are all going to be sorry when he either falls over dead or starts floating around his room on his carpet

At this point I can accept his death. :)

 

[rtved]

I wonder if any international medical organization is allowed to independently study this.
Or, is this solely on "their" word.

As far as the report is concerned ,yes.
The Defense research organisation will do a three months study on the medical reports and comeout with a plausible explanation.

Mr prahlad is ready to be subjected to more tests if the scientific community beleives it to be of benefit to mankind.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/on-fast-for-65-years-yogi-helps-military/114783-17.html?from=tn

If the latter becomes the case, it means nothing to most of us. Guess we'll see.

If for any reasons the defense organisation is not willing to share the results Mr prahlad is available(his own statement) for further study.

 

[rtved]

Because they have religious beliefs they wish to see confirmed, or which lead them to believe this is possible?

If some one from DRDO wants his religious beleifs to be confirmed by this study he exposes himself to crucifixion

It does not seem a stretch to posit this. There will be no peer reviewed report that does not end with, "haha, you are kidding, are you not?"

Wait and see.