A 50 cubic foot tank contains saturated 134a at 100F and a quality of 50%

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The discussion revolves around calculating properties of saturated R-134a in a 50 cubic foot tank at 100°F with an initial quality of 50%. Key calculations include determining the initial specific internal energy, mass, average enthalpy of the withdrawn vapor, final quality, and mass of R-134a withdrawn. Participants emphasize using the formulas for internal energy and specific volume to derive these values, particularly noting the importance of the average specific enthalpy of the vapor and the final specific volumes of the saturated liquid and vapor.

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Homework Statement
A tank of 50 cubic feet contains saturated 134a at 100 F and a quality of 50%. Vapor is withdrawn from the top of the tank until the temperature is 50 F. The process is adiabatic.
Relevant Equations
u = u_f + x(u_g-u_f)
v= = v_f +x(v_g-v_f)
x = (u - u_f)/(u_g-u_f)
h_avg = ((h_g)_100F _ (h_g)_50F)/2
mass_tank = volume/specific volume_final
mass_tank_final = 50 cubic feet / specific volume_final
mass_vapor = mass_tank - mass_final
I've attached all my work and data table I used to answer the questions but there isn't an answer key so I would like a second opinion.
a) The initial specific internal energy is.......Btu/lbm
b) The initial mass is....lbm
c)The average enthalpy of the withdrawn vapor is.....Btu/lbm
d)The final quality in the tank........%
e)The mass of 134 that is withdrawn is......lbm

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What are you asked to determine?
 
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Chestermiller said:
What are you asked to determine?
I'm so sorry i forgot to post the questions. I'll edit it.
 
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I don't follow what you did in parts (d) and (e). Can you please explain?
 
Chestermiller said:
I don't follow what you did in parts (d) and (e). Can you please explain?
in D, i used the formula to find quality using internal energy values and in E I'm wanting to find mass, so I use the volume of the tank divided by the specific volume of the tank at 50 F which I used the same quality formula after I found the quality.
 
joejoe121 said:
in D, i used the formula to find quality using internal energy values and in E I'm wanting to find mass, so I use the volume of the tank divided by the specific volume of the tank at 50 F which I used the same quality formula after I found the quality.
I don't follow. My approach would be to let ##x_f## be the final quality in the tank and ##m_f## be the final mass in the tank. Then $$U_f-U_i=m_fu_f-m_iu_i=-(m_i-m_f)\bar{h}$$and$$v_{Lf}+(v_{Vf}-v_{Lf})x_f=\frac{V}{m_f}$$where ##\bar{h}## was the average specific enthalpy of the vapor exiting the tank.
 
Chestermiller said:
I don't follow. My approach would be to let ##x_f## be the final quality in the tank and ##m_f## be the final mass in the tank. Then $$U_f-U_i=m_fu_f-m_iu_i=-(m_i-m_f)\bar{h}$$and$$v_{Lf}+(v_{Vf}-v_{Lf})x_f=\frac{V}{m_f}$$where ##\bar{h}## was the average specific enthalpy of the vapor exiting the tank.
I'm confused about the $$v_{Lf}$$ and $$v_{Vf}$$
 
joejoe121 said:
I'm confused about the $$v_{Lf}$$ and $$v_{Vf}$$
The final specific volumes of the saturated liquid and vapor.
 
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Chestermiller said:
The final specific volumes of the saturated liquid and vapor.
for your first formula you posted. What do I equate -(m_i-m_f)h_{avg} to?
And did i solve for my average enthalpy correctly?
 
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Chestermiller said:
I don't follow. My approach would be to let ##x_f## be the final quality in the tank and ##m_f## be the final mass in the tank. Then $$U_f-U_i=m_fu_f-m_iu_i=-(m_i-m_f)\bar{h}$$and$$v_{Lf}+(v_{Vf}-v_{Lf})x_f=\frac{V}{m_f}$$where ##\bar{h}## was the average specific enthalpy of the vapor exiting the tank.
Is it correct to say that the initial internal energy can be used to find the final quality?
 
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joejoe121 said:
Is it correct to say that the initial internal energy can be used to find the final quality?
No, because mass has left the tank with enthalpy ##\bar{h}##.
 
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Chestermiller said:
No, because mass has left the tank with enthalpy ##\bar{h}##.
Is what I did in part C correct or should I say the average enthalpy of the withdrawn vapor just be the saturated vapor value at 100 F?
And I'm really confused on finding quality at this point.
 

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