A Hydrogen economy: Be a part of the change

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the potential of a hydrogen economy as an alternative energy source, exploring its feasibility, production methods, and implications for the future of energy supply. Participants examine various aspects of hydrogen as a fuel, including its efficiency, environmental impact, and the challenges associated with its production and storage.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that hydrogen could be the solution to global energy needs, with varying timelines for its implementation ranging from 5 to 25 years.
  • Concerns are raised about the energy required to produce hydrogen, with questions about whether it is more efficient than traditional fossil fuels.
  • Various methods for hydrogen production are discussed, including biological processes, chemical processes, and renewable energy sources like solar and wind.
  • One participant notes the potential for hydrogen to be used in existing internal combustion engines and its clean-burning properties, although there are questions about nitrogen oxides produced during combustion.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the reliance on coal for hydrogen production, arguing that it may prolong existing energy problems rather than solve them.
  • There are claims that hydrogen is not a fuel but rather an energy carrier, with concerns about the costs and infrastructure required for its widespread adoption.
  • Participants discuss the economic implications of transitioning to hydrogen, noting that fossil fuels may currently be cheaper and that political support is necessary for change.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the viability of hydrogen as an energy source, with some supporting its potential while others raise significant concerns about production methods, efficiency, and economic feasibility. There is no consensus on the best approach to hydrogen production or its role in the future energy landscape.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the efficiency of hydrogen production and the environmental impact of different methods. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the economic viability of hydrogen compared to fossil fuels, as well as the political landscape influencing energy policy.

  • #91
...Hydrogen is no more or less dangerous than other flammable fuels, including gasoline and natural gas. In fact, some of hydrogen’s differences actually provide safety benefits compared to gasoline or other fuels. However, all flammable fuels must be handled responsibly...

Worth the quick, two page read.

Facts about Hydrogen Safety [pdf]
 
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  • #92

No one has said that X amount of H&O will make X amount of power. No one has said that mixing it with gasoline will produce X result. Good or bad.

Sure, because this data is readily available in tables and the actual numerical values are of no importance here. It doesn't matter whether you would split water, or carbon mono/dioxide, or any other oxide for that matter, from point of view of energetics of reaction you'd always put at least the same amount of energy to split it that you would obtain by burning it.

Cheers, Kuba
 
  • #93
I wonder if there will be Hybrid engines that contain Hydrogen burning systems along with a Sterling engine which works off of heat.


Dymium
 
  • #94
Ivan Seeking……. Thank you ….. this is a subject I have nurtured and spread all over the world. I have yet to read all of the pages herein on this thread but I can offer many paths in any wish to pursue on this subject.

This administration has other agendas and most of the dollars spent are governed to maintain a firm grip on any in depth release on just how simple hydrogen is to use. In the automotive arena if mechanics knew just how easy it is to convert our existing internal combustion engines a monster would evolve.

The effects of large amounts of hydrogen into the atmosphere is what sparked the writing of the Dynamo Theory which I authored in August of this year coupling Tesla’s theories on the earth’s magnetic field. I summarized that our sun had given us the massive amounts of hydrogen that created our oceans in the first place and that we would suffer no damage by combining these naturally diatomic elements and create motion from the energy.

Where I intend to go next is to use the sun and the Earth telluric currents to release hydrogen from water. The path of using nuclear power to also offer this fueling source is definite but also a governing path that will underwrite the corporate entities that have known how simple hydrogen is to use for years.

The question is who is able to make the proper information public?
 
  • #95
For those of you who want to look into alternative's to oil, coal, nuclear, etc.., try visiting the PES network IE: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/. There are several hydrogen projects which could use your support in whatever way you are able. I like Dr. Kaku's statement about no barriers or obsticles. If there were more mature physicists like Michio Kaku, Niels Bohr, and guy's like Burt Rutan to deal with in the world, I believe we would already have our alternative energy system in place. I know that the political aspects of the whole problem is frowned upon by most forums, both physics and alternative science, but this only contributes to the suspicions that it is the main problem with trying to bring new technologies of the sort to the market-place. I have been in the field all of my life and have also worked within the level 5 above top secret projects in the U.S., and so I have had a birds eye view of things which most of the spokespersons in the field of physics have no clue about. I am not bringing this up to boast, but simply to point out that without complete access to this level of knowledge and information, most of the so-called experts in these area's have no idea just how far advanced technologies actually are. I don't even know if this post will go through due to the very nature of its contents, but whenever someone says that a technology is perhaps 25 to 50 years away from the present date, you can usually be assurred that it is probably more like 25 to 50 from the past. I don't know how such seemingly intelligent people can remain so clueless for so long, but I guess that's what they were taught from the beginning and its all they know. This may anger some who think they know it all, but there is much more to our problems of getting alternative energy technologies to the market than overcoming the limits of ones education. Tesla knew this and tried to give us answers a century ago. But since the vast majority of the public believes everything the FCC controlled media tells them to believe, I don't see much changing for the time being. Oh well, I'm probably just continuing to bang my head against a brick wall here anyway, but just thought I'd try to point out some things.

Cheers,

Bush Wacker
 

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