A Little Bit of Guidance on this RLC Circuit (Please )

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of an RLC circuit, focusing on determining the initial conditions and constants for the circuit's response. Participants explore the underdamped nature of the circuit and its step response, while seeking clarification on specific values needed for the equations governing the circuit's behavior.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the circuit is underdamped and will exhibit a step response, using the equation V0(t)=Vf+B1e^(αt)cos(ωdt)+B2e^(ω0t)sin(ωdt) but is uncertain about the values of B1 and B2.
  • Another participant suggests that the integration constants B1 and B2 can be determined from the initial conditions V_o(0) and \frac{dV_o}{dt}(0), which can be derived from the circuit diagram for t<0.
  • There is a question regarding the interpretation of V_o(0) and \frac{dV_o}{dt}(0), with one participant seeking clarification on these initial conditions.
  • Participants discuss the behavior of the 50mA source, with one asserting that it will loop through the resistor and switch when closed, while another agrees with this interpretation.
  • One participant confirms their understanding of V_o(0) as the voltage in the capacitor at the moment the switch closes, and \frac{dV_o}{dt}(0) as the derivative of that voltage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the underdamped nature of the circuit and the need for initial conditions to determine constants B1 and B2. However, there remains uncertainty regarding the specific values of V_o(0) and \frac{dV_o}{dt}(0), indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on the circuit diagram for initial conditions, which may not be fully detailed in the discussion. The interpretation of initial conditions is dependent on the specific circuit configuration, which is not explicitly provided.

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I've been working on this problem to review (see the attachments), and my circuit analysis skills are quite rusty. I've determined that the circuit should be underdamped, and it will have a step response. Based on this, I'm using the equation V0(t)=Vf+B1e^(αt)cos(ωdt)+B2e^(ω0t)sin(ωdt). As you can see from the third attachment, I'm not sure as to what the values of B1 and B2 should be. Vf should be 20v as I interpreted, correct?

Also, it would seem that 50mA source would loop between the resistor while the switch is open (since the inductor would effectively be a short and the capacitor would be open), and when the switch is closed, the current would pass through the switch and loop in that manner, correct?

As I stated earlier, assuming that all of my former work is correct, I'm not sure what values I should assign to B1 and B2. A push in the right direction from here would be great -- I have terrible handwriting but hopefully it is clear enough to read.
 

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mushiman said:
I've been working on this problem to review (see the attachments), and my circuit analysis skills are quite rusty. I've determined that the circuit should be underdamped, and it will have a step response. Based on this, I'm using the equation V0(t)=Vf+B1e^(αt)cos(ωdt)+B2e^(ω0t)sin(ωdt). As you can see from the third attachment, I'm not sure as to what the values of B1 and B2 should be. Vf should be 20v as I interpreted, correct?

Also, it would seem that 50mA source would loop between the resistor while the switch is open (since the inductor would effectively be a short and the capacitor would be open), and when the switch is closed, the current would pass through the switch and loop in that manner, correct?

As I stated earlier, assuming that all of my former work is correct, I'm not sure what values I should assign to B1 and B2. A push in the right direction from here would be great -- I have terrible handwriting but hopefully it is clear enough to read.

You mean [tex]V_0(t) = V_f + B_1e^{\alpha t}cos(\omega_dt) + B_2e^{\alpha t}sin(\omega_dt)[/tex] with [tex]\alpha[/tex] in both exponents.
The integration constants [tex]B_1[/tex] and [tex]B_2[/tex] are determined from the initial conditions [tex]V_o(0) = V_c(0)[/tex] and [tex]\frac{dV_o}{dt}(0)[/tex]. Those initial conditions can be determined from your diagram for t<0.
 
Right (forgot about special characters on this forum).

The problem is that I'm not exactly sure what [tex]V_o(0)[/tex] and [tex]\frac{dV_o}{dt}(0)[/tex] are.

Isn't it true that the 50mA source will loop through the resistor and then through the switch when it is closed? If so, then I believe my work up till the portion where [tex]B_1[/tex] and [tex]B_2[/tex] must be determined is correct. This is where I was hoping for a hint -- I'm not exactly sure what either of them ([tex]V_o(0)[/tex] and [tex]\frac{dV_o}{dt}(0)[/tex]) should be interpreted as.
 
mushiman said:
Right (forgot about special characters on this forum).

The problem is that I'm not exactly sure what [tex]V_o(0)[/tex] and [tex]\frac{dV_o}{dt}(0)[/tex] are.

Isn't it true that the 50mA source will loop through the resistor and then through the switch when it is closed? If so, then I believe my work up till the portion where [tex]B_1[/tex] and [tex]B_2[/tex] must be determined is correct. This is where I was hoping for a hint -- I'm not exactly sure what either of them ([tex]V_o(0)[/tex] and [tex]\frac{dV_o}{dt}(0)[/tex]) should be interpreted as.

[tex]V_o(0)[/tex] is the voltage in the capacitor at the closing of the switch. It is the difference between the voltages on the resistors.
[tex]\frac{dV_o}{dt}(0)[/tex] is the derivative of the voltage in the capacitor at the same instant.
Remember that [tex]i_c(t)=C\frac{dV_C}{dt}[/tex]
 
Great, that's what I was thinking it would be.

Thanks for the help.
 

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