A problem about reduction of the order of a linear ODE

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The discussion revolves around the reduction of the order of a linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form y''' + a2y'' + a1y' + a0y = 0, specifically focusing on the substitution y = uy1, where y1 is a known solution. Participants explore how this substitution transforms the original third-order equation into a second-order equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants describe their attempts to calculate derivatives and substitute them into the ODE, leading to a new equation. There is uncertainty about how to eliminate the third derivative of u. Some suggest letting v = u' to simplify the equation further.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the implications of the substitution and whether it meets the professor's expectations. Some participants express doubt about the acceptability of their approach at this stage, while others affirm that the reduction to a second-order equation is valid.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of having an "= 0" on the right side of the equation to maintain its structure. There is also a mention of a subsequent question regarding finding a third solution given two linearly independent solutions, with speculation on the applicability of the order reduction method discussed.

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Homework Statement


Show that if y1 is a solution to the ODE y'''+a2y''+a1y'+a0y=0 then the substitution y=uy1 reduces the order of the equation to a 2nd order linear ODE.

The Attempt at a Solution


well, I calculated first, second and third derivatives of y and plugged them in the equation and after cancellation and some tedious algebraic operations I obtained this new equation:
(3y1''+2a2y1'+ a1y1)u' + (3y1' + a2y1)u'' + u'''y1=0

Now I'm stuck and don't know what I should do next at this point. We still have the third derivative of u in the equation and I don't know how to cancel that.
 
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AdrianZ said:

Homework Statement


Show that if y1 is a solution to the ODE y+a2y''+a1y'+a0y=0

The first term should be y'''.

then the substitution y=u1 reduces the order of the equation to a 2nd order linear ODE.
Presumably you mean y = uy1.

The Attempt at a Solution


well, I calculated first, second and third derivatives of y and plugged them in the equation and after cancellation and some tedious algebraic operations I obtained this new equation:
(3y1''+2a2y1'+ a1y1)u' + (3y1' + a2y1)u'' + u'''y1

Now I'm stuck and don't know what I should do next at this point. We still have the third derivative of u in the equation and I don't know how to cancel that.

I didn't work it all out but, assuming you have checked your work, you can just let v = u' and you will have a second order equation in v.
 
LCKurtz said:
The first term should be y'''.
Yes.

Presumably you mean y = uy1.
Yes.

I didn't work it all out but, assuming you have checked your work, you can just let v = u' and you will have a second order equation in v.

That's a good idea. but do you think the professor wanted us to do that at this step? I mean does he accept this as the solution to his problem?
 
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AdrianZ said:
That's a good idea. but do you think the professor wanted us to do that at this step? I mean does he accept this as the solution to his problem?

Of course, you need an "= 0" on the right side to make it an equation. But yes, or course, you have reduced the problem of solving a 3rd order equation to one of solving a 2nd order equation.
 
LCKurtz said:
Of course, you need an "= 0" on the right side to make it an equation. But yes, or course, you have reduced the problem of solving a 3rd order equation to one of solving a 2nd order equation.

Fine. the next question asks me that If we have two linearly independent solutions y1,y2 for this ODE we can find the 3rd solution. Can I use the idea of order reduction from this problem to solve that? If yes, how?
Thanks for helping.
 
AdrianZ said:
Fine. the next question asks me that If we have two linearly independent solutions y1,y2 for this ODE we can find the 3rd solution. Can I use the idea of order reduction from this problem to solve that? If yes, how?
Thanks for helping.

I haven't ever tried that since it never comes up. My guess is that uy2 would lead to a second solution to your u equation allowing you to reduce it to a first order. So I expect the answer is yes. I guess all you can do is try it.
 

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