A question for helium energy transition

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the allowed transitions in parahelium, specifically questioning the absence of the 1s3p-1s3s transition while the 1s2p-1s2s transition is permitted. Participants explore the implications of selection rules and the visibility of certain transitions in observed spectral lines.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the selection rules applicable to the 1s2p-1s2s transition should also apply to the 1s3p-1s3s transition, suggesting it should be allowed.
  • Others propose that the absence of the 1s3p-1s3s transition in observed charts may be due to it lying outside the prominent wavelength region displayed.
  • A participant references a source that lists the transition as occurring at 1,344 cm^-1, indicating it falls within the infrared region.
  • There is acknowledgment of a mistake regarding the specific transitions being discussed, with a participant clarifying their earlier confusion between different transitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons for the absence of the 1s3p-1s3s transition, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining regarding the selection rules and visibility of the transition.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the selection rules and the dependence on the specific wavelength regions of observed spectral lines. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the data presented in referenced sources.

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For S=0 parahelium, 1s2p-1s2s transition is allowed, but why there is no transition between 1s3p-1s3s? I think the only difference for the electron configurations is principal quantum number. The selection rules applying for 1s2p-1s2s can also be applied to 1s3p-1s3s. In other words, there is no selection rule to forbid the 1s3p-1s3s transition.
 

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newforce said:
For S=0 parahelium, 1s2p-1s2s transition is allowed, but why there is no transition between 1s3p-1s3s? I think the only difference for the electron configurations is principal quantum number. The selection rules applying for 1s2p-1s2s can also be applied to 1s3p-1s3s. In other words, there is no selection rule to forbid the 1s3p-1s3s transition.

I think that it should be allowed. The chart is showing observed lines. What wavelength/frequency would the 1s3p-1s3s transition be? It may be that the chart is showing prominenet lines in a particular wavelength region. The one you are looking for might lie outside of this window.

This website shows the transition on there energy level diagram: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/helium.html
 
Quantum Defect said:
I think that it should be allowed. The chart is showing observed lines. What wavelength/frequency would the 1s3p-1s3s transition be? It may be that the chart is showing prominenet lines in a particular wavelength region. The one you are looking for might lie outside of this window.

This website shows the transition on there energy level diagram: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/helium.html

Thanks for your reply. Your idea currently is only reasonable explanation for the missing transition though I still expect more details. BTW, graph in the link clearly shows no transition between 1s3p-1s3s.
 
newforce said:
Thanks for your reply. Your idea currently is only reasonable explanation for the missing transition though I still expect more details. BTW, graph in the link clearly shows no transition between 1s3p-1s3s.

Whoops. You are correct, I mistook the 3p-2s for the one you were asking about.

Here is a better source: http://www.nist.gov/srd/upload/jpcrd382009565p.pdf
This source lists the transition (#73 in the list for He, on page 618) as being 1,344 cm^-1 -- in the infrared region.
 
Quantum Defect said:
Whoops. You are correct, I mistook the 3p-2s for the one you were asking about.

Here is a better source: http://www.nist.gov/srd/upload/jpcrd382009565p.pdf
This source lists the transition (#73 in the list for He, on page 618) as being 1,344 cm^-1 -- in the infrared region.

Thanks so much for the excellent reference! I will read it carefully.
 

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