A question on notation of derivatives

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the notation and properties of derivatives, particularly in relation to even and odd functions. Participants explore the implications of applying the chain rule and the correct interpretation of derivatives of composite functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof regarding the derivative of even and odd functions, leading to a question about the notation of derivatives.
  • Another participant notes that the derivative of f(g(x)) is not simply f'(g(x)), emphasizing that this applies to f(-x) as well.
  • A third participant suggests using the chain rule to clarify the relationship, illustrating it with a substitution of u = -x.
  • A later reply questions the distinction between f'(-x) and the derivative of f(-x), proposing that f'(-x) represents a derivative with respect to -x, while (f(-x))' is a derivative with respect to x.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the derivatives, and multiple viewpoints regarding the notation and application of the chain rule remain present.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the notation of derivatives and the application of the chain rule, which are not fully resolved.

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I was doing a proof on why the derivative of an even function is odd and vice versa. Now, the way I did the problem was by using the chain rule to rewrite the derivative of f(-x), and the proof worked out perfectly fine.

But I had a thought that I can't quite wrap my around, and I think it's just because I don't fully understand the notation. I almost made this mistake but caught myself because I realized it doesn't work; it's essentially a silly "proof" for why the derivative of an odd function is odd:

1. f(-x)=-f(x), the definition of an odd function
2. Taking the derivative of both sides (since two functions which are equal for all values of x should also have equivalent derivatives):
f'(-x)=-f'(x)

I know this is wrong (since that says the derivative is also odd). I'm also pretty certain that the derivative of -f(x) is -f'(x) (because of the constant rule). So that means that the derivative of f(-x) is NOT f'(-x). My question: why is the derivative of f(-x) not f'(-x)?
 
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In general a derivative of [itex]f(g(x))[/itex] is not [itex]f'(g(x))[/itex], so in particular there is no reason to assume, that a derivative of [itex]f(-x)[/itex] would be [itex]f'(-x)[/itex].
 
You can use the chain rule. To illustrate, let u = -x, so f(-x) = f(u). df(u)/dx = f'(u)du/dx = -f'(-x).
 
Ah, I think I see now. So f'(-x) would be df/d(-x) (change of f over change of negative x as a single quantity), while (f(-x))' would be df/dx?
 

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