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The problem involves electrostatic energy and capacitors, specifically focusing on the work required to bring charges into a system. The original poster presents a scenario with three charges, where the relationship between the work done to bring in the second and third charges is explored.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to establish a relationship between the charges Qy, Qx, and Q, questioning the correctness of their work formula and the implications of charge placement. Some participants check the mathematical steps and clarify assumptions regarding the conditions under which the charges are brought into the system.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants verifying calculations and exploring the implications of different assumptions about how the charges are introduced. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some guidance has been offered regarding the mathematical approach.

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The problem lacks specific details about the conditions under which the charges are brought into place, leading to varying interpretations among participants.

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Homework Statement



A charge Q is at the origin. A second charge, Qx = 2Q, is brought to the point x = a and y = 0. A third charge Qy is brought to the point x = 0, y = a. If it takes twice as much work to bring in Qy as it did Qx, what is Qy in terms of Q?

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My main problem in this (Besides an incompetent professor :wink:) is connecting the relationships of Qy, Qx, and Q, specifically Qy and Q. Also, I believe my formula for work to bring in a charge

(W = (k * Qx * Qy)/ R)

Might be wrong.

The Attempt at a Solution



W = work to bring in charge.

Wy = 2*Wx

Wx = (k * Q * Qx)/a => Wx = (k * 3Q)/a

Wy = (k * Q * Qy)/a

(k * Q * Qy)/a = 2 * (k * 3Q)/a => (k * Q * Qy)/a = (k * 6Q)/a


And here's where I start to have problems; constant 'k' and 'a' get canceled out, fine and dandy. However, the 'Q' also gets canceled out, which is bad as that's what I want my final answer in terms of.

Also, am I over thinking this, or do the vectors of Qy and Qx not allow me to make this connection?

Thanks to anyone can help, and I hope to have a pleasant stay here at Physics Help :smile:
 
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Wx = (k * Q * Qx)/a => Wx = (k * 3Q)/a
Check the math.
Also, from the question it is not clear whether Q2 was brought with both Q and Q1 in place or Q alone.
 
Thank you!

The problem didn't specify, but from the wording I would imagine that Qy was brought in by Q alone.

Is the math correct now?

Wx = (k * Q * Qx)/a => Wx = (k * 2Q^2)/a
 
Air_Gear said:
Is the math correct now?

Wx = (k * Q * Qx)/a => Wx = (k * 2Q^2)/a

Looks good to me!

The problem didn't specify, but from the wording I would imagine that Qy was brought in by Q alone.
Funny, I would have thought the other, from the wording of the question. Doesn't matter, as long as you know how to solve for both ;)
 

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