A sequence of functions evaluated at a sequence

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of sequences of real-valued functions evaluated at sequences of real numbers, particularly focusing on the convergence properties of such sequences. Participants explore conditions under which the pointwise convergence of functions implies the convergence of their evaluations at converging sequences.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that if a sequence of functions \( f_n \) converges uniformly to \( f \) on a set \( E \), then \( f_n(x_n) \to f(x) \) if \( x_n \to x \) is in \( E \). However, they also suggest that it is possible for \( f_n(x_n) \to f(x) \) for every sequence \( x_n \to x \) without uniform convergence.
  • Another participant asserts that for sufficiently large \( n \), \( f_n(x_n) \) is close to \( e^{x_n} \) and since \( x_n \) is close to \( x \), \( e^{x_n} \) is close to \( e^x \).
  • A question is raised about whether it is always true that if \( f_n \to f \) pointwise and \( x_n \to x \), then \( f_n(x_n) \to f(x) \).
  • Hints are provided suggesting that the uniform convergence of \( f_n(x) \) to \( e^x \) on bounded intervals may be relevant to the discussion.
  • One participant proposes to restrict their attention to the interval \([0,\infty)\) and outlines a proof strategy involving uniform convergence and continuity of the limit function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about whether the pointwise convergence of functions guarantees the convergence of their evaluations at converging sequences. Multiple viewpoints are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the generality of the proposed conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the importance of uniform convergence and continuity in their arguments, but the discussion does not resolve whether the conditions are sufficient or necessary in all cases.

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What are the rules if you have a sequence f_n of real-valued functions on \mathbb R and consider the sequence f_n(x_n), where x_n is some sequence of real numbers that converges: x_n \to x. All I have found is an exercise in Baby Rudin that says that if f_n \to f uniformly on E, then f_n(x_n) \to f(x) if x_n \to x is in E. But the exercise seems to indicate that it is possible to have f_n(x_n) \to f(x) for every sequence x_n\to x without having f_n \to f uniformly. (I believe the canonical example f_n(x) = x^n on E = [0,1] works here.)

I ask because I recently had a colleague who claimed that if x_n \to x, then \left( 1 + \frac{x}{n} \right)^n \to e^x. She asked what the rule that made this possible was, and I replied that I wasn't sure if it was, in fact, true, since f_n(x) = \left( 1 + \frac xn \right)^n obviously does not converge uniformly to e^x on \mathbb R (even though, obviously, f_n \to e^x pointwise).
 
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For ##n## large enough:

##f_n(x_n)## is close to ##e^{x_n}##; and ##x_n## is close to ##x## so ##e^{x_n}## is close to ##e^x##
 
PeroK said:
For ##n## large enough:

##f_n(x_n)## is close to ##e^{x_n}##; and ##x_n## is close to ##x## so ##e^{x_n}## is close to ##e^x##
So is it always true that if f_n \to f pointwise and x_n \to x, then f_n(x_n) \to f(x)?
 
AxiomOfChoice said:
So is it always true that if f_n \to f pointwise and x_n \to x, then f_n(x_n) \to f(x)?

Why don't you try to prove it?

Hint: Does ##f_n(x)## converge uniformly to ##e^x## on any bounded interval?
 
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PeroK said:
Why don't you try to prove it?

Hint: Does ##f_n(x)## converge uniformly to ##e^x## on any bounded interval?
Ok, I think I see the strategy you are suggesting. Since \{ x_n \} is bounded (since it converges), we have -M \leq x_n \leq M for all n and for some M. I can restrict my attention to [-M,M]. On that interval, \left( 1 + \frac xn \right)^n converges uniformly to e^x, and I can apply the result of the Baby Rudin exercise.
 
Here is what I have so far. I have decided to confine my attention to ##[0,\infty)##. Suppose ##f_n \to f## uniformly on a set ##E##, where each ##f_n## is continuous. (The latter is a hypothesis I inadvertently omitted from my previous posts.) Let ##\{ x_n \}## be a sequence of points in ##E## with ##x_n \to x##. Then, given ##\epsilon > 0##, there exists ##N \in \mathbb N## such that ##n > N## implies ##|f_n(x) - f(x)| < \epsilon/2## for all ##x\in E## and ##|f(x_n) - f(x)| < \epsilon/2##, since the limit function ##f## is continuous. Then for ##n > N##,

##|f_n(x_n) - f(x)| < |f_n(x_n) - f(x_n)| + |f(x_n) - f(x)| < \frac{\epsilon}{2} + \frac{\epsilon}{2} = \epsilon##.

The terms of ##\{ x_n \}## are bounded; suppose they are contained in an interval ##[-M,M]##. Then

##M_n = \sup_{x\in [-M,M]} \left| \left(1 + \frac{x}{n} \right)^n - e^x \right|##

is a decreasing sequence bounded from below by ##0##; hence it converges to ##0##; hence ##\left( 1 + \frac{x}{n} \right)^n \to e^x## uniformly on ##[-M,M]##, which is what we wanted.
 

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