A simple question in regards to Gravitys effect over compressed gas

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The discussion revolves around the effects of gravity on compressed gas within a canister, particularly focusing on the behavior of liquid and gas phases in such a system. Participants explore concepts related to pressure, density, and the distribution of substances in a sealed environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the liquid in a canister is held up by a non-liquid pressure system or if gravity pulls it down, suggesting a need for clarification on the distribution of liquid and gas phases.
  • Another participant raises the importance of understanding the densities of the gas and liquid phases, drawing an analogy to rocks floating on water.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about the idea of gas suspending liquid, prompting further inquiry into the nature of pressure in a partially filled tank of compressed oxygen.
  • One participant illustrates the behavior of propane in a bottle to argue against the notion of top-heavy liquid distribution.
  • Another participant elaborates on the relationship between liquid and gas phases in a sealed tank, explaining that boiling liquids create vapor above them, which is in equilibrium with the liquid phase.
  • A later reply discusses how pressure varies with altitude within the tank due to gravity, emphasizing that the pressure differential between the top and bottom of the tank balances the weight of the fluid/gas inside.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how gravity affects the distribution of liquid and gas in a canister, with no consensus reached on the mechanisms involved or the implications of pressure differentials.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding the behavior of gases and liquids under pressure, the effects of gravity, and the nature of pressure differentials, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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This is a question which I am sure i already know the answer to.
Its purpose is simpley to clear up a dispute between my self
and someone i know.

In a canister where gas is compressed into a state of liquid.
Is the liquid suspended toword the top side of the can held
up by some non-liquid pressure system?Is it held down toword the
bottom of the canister by gravitation and having some non-liquid pressure
system above?Or is the liquid equally distributed throughout the canister
with only negligible difference produced by gravity?
 
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What are the densities of the gas and liquid phases? Do rocks float on water?
 
If this point could be further illustrated i would greatly appresieate it.
Gas suspending liquid is without question one of,if not THE,most silly thing you've ever heard.
But,it brought me to think about something that I am hoping you can explain.
If we have a tank containing,say,compressed oxigen,and its half empty.
Is the other half then filled with pure empty pressure,like an anti-vacuum
without substance.
 
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Grab a bottle of propane and slosh it around. You'll find it is not top-heavy...
 
If we have a tank containing,say,compressed oxigen,and its half empty. Is the other half then filled with pure empty pressure,like an anti-vacuum without substance.
A fluid such as oxygen which is at least partially in a liquid state inside a tank is also going to have that fluid in a gasseous state. Take water for example, boiling in a pot. If you have a lid on the pot that is not sealed tight, the boiling water vapor soon pushes all the air out and all that's left is the boiling liquid water on the bottom of the pot and the water vapor above the liquid.

In a sealed tank, the same holds true. All cryogenic fluids such as liquid nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, etc... are typically boiling liquids which have that gas above the liquid. The gas and liquid are typically very close in temperature, and of course at the same pressure. That pressure and temperature is call the "saturation" pressure/temperature.
 
same pressure
Actually it's not at the same pressure if gravity is invovled. The pressure decreases relatively rapidly with altitude within a tank. If the tank has sides that are perpendicular to the pull of gravity, then the net force due to the total pressure differential between the top and the bottom of the tank will exactly equal the weight of the fluid/gas inside the tank.

For example, force 80 cubic feet of air which is about 6 pound mass into a scuba tank, and the tank increases in weight by about 6 pounds due to the addition of the air. As I just mentioned, the air exerts it's "weight" on the tank via a pressure differential that changes with altitude within the tank. Pressure is lower at the "top" (relative to the direction of pull of gravity) of the tank, and higher at the "bottom" of the tank.
 

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