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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thought experiment involving three individuals in a sealed room and the implications of one person moving within that space. Participants explore the effects of displacement on the other individuals and the behavior of air in the sealed environment, addressing concepts of force, pressure, and fluid dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if one individual steps forward, the other two will not be compelled to move due to the presence of air, which will fill the gap created by the first person.
  • Another participant questions the source of air in the sealed room, proposing that the air comes from the space left by the moving individual.
  • A later reply introduces the idea of one person enlarging their stomach without swallowing air, suggesting that this would also not create a net effect on the other individuals.
  • One participant argues that the force created by air displacement is too small to be felt by the other individuals, asserting that the air will simply adjust itself without affecting the occupants significantly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether the movement of one individual will affect the others. Some assert that the air will compensate for the displacement, while others explore the nuances of force and pressure without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of air as a fluid and the limits of human sensation regarding force, which may not be fully explored or defined.

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Please excuse my naivete, but this thought experiment has been running through my mind all week.

Suppose you have three people in room. Suppose the room is sealed such that no air can come in and no air can come out. Suppose there's enough oxygen in the room for us to conduct our experiment( what happens to the three individuals after the experiment is irrelevant). Since the room is completely sealed, if one of the three individual takes a step forward, is it the case that the other two will be compelled against their will to move in order to adjust to the displacement created by the first individual?

If not, why?

Thank you,

M
 
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michonamona said:
Please excuse my naivete, but this thought experiment has been running through my mind all week.

Suppose you have three people in room. Suppose the room is sealed such that no air can come in and no air can come out. Suppose there's enough oxygen in the room for us to conduct our experiment( what happens to the three individuals after the experiment is irrelevant). Since the room is completely sealed, if one of the three individual takes a step forward, is it the case that the other two will be compelled against their will to move in order to adjust to the displacement created by the first individual?

If not, why?

Thank you,

M

Say what?
 
The two people won't be compelled to fill in the gap created by the first. Guess why? Because there is air in there, much more quick and much more eager to do the task.
"Ahh! where does the air come from? Didn't I tell the room is sealed."
opps, i forgot to tell but the air comes from the new place occupied by the person A. He leaves vaccancy somewhere but at the same time kicks out air from new place.

Also ponder, what will happen if one of the person enlarges his stomach (without swallowing air), then there is only kicking out, but no vaccancy!

cheers.
(Rest assured that other people won't be compelled, nope.)
 
thecritic said:
The two people won't be compelled to fill in the gap created by the first. Guess why? Because there is air in there, much more quick and much more eager to do the task.
"Ahh! where does the air come from? Didn't I tell the room is sealed."
opps, i forgot to tell but the air comes from the new place occupied by the person A. He leaves vaccancy somewhere but at the same time kicks out air from new place.

Also ponder, what will happen if one of the person enlarges his stomach (without swallowing air), then there is only kicking out, but no vaccancy!

cheers.
(Rest assured that other people won't be compelled, nope.)

Ah of course...about your second point, my instinct tells me that the other two will feel the pressure created by the enlargement of the stomach of the first person. But they won't move because the force created by the enlargement of the stomach will not over power the force exerted by the leg muscles of the other two people. Any other insights?
 
The amount of force created in the air is so small compared to the limit of human sensation that you wouldn't feel anything.

Also, as the air is a fluid, it will simply move itself as its displaced. Simply flexing and making your stomach bigger would have no net effect on any of the occupants of the room. It would simply compress the air very slightly.
 

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