A wheel rolls down a flat inclined surface

In summary: D. T. Greenwood)In summary, we use Lagrange's equations and the method of undetermined multipliers to obtain the solution for the two-dimensional motion of a wheel rolling down a flat inclined surface at an angle $\alpha$ with the horizontal. The wheel is constrained to always be perpendicular to the surface and may rotate about the axis normal to the surface. The Lagrangian is found to be $L = \frac{m \dot x^2}{2} + \frac{m r^2 \dot \theta^2}{2} - -mg x \sin \alpha$ and the Lagrange's equations are applied to find the equations of motion. The general solutions for the equations of motion are $
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1. A wheel rolls down a flat inclined surface that makes an angle $\alpha$ with the horizontal. The wheel is constrained so that its plane is always perpendicular to the inclined plane, but it may rotate about the axis normal to the surface. Obtain the solution for two-dimensional motion of the wheel, using Lagrange's equations and the method of undetermined multipliers.

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The kinetic energy has two components in a two dimensional motion:
\begin{equation}
T = T_{trans} + T_{rot} = \frac{m \dot x^2}{2} + \frac{m r^2 \dot \theta^2}{2} \label{eq:301}
\end{equation}
and the potential energy:
\begin{equation}
V = mg y = mg x \sin \alpha \label{eq:302}
\end{equation}
Therefore, the Lagrangian is given by:
\begin{equation}
L = \frac{m \dot x^2}{2} + \frac{m r^2 \dot \theta^2}{2} - -mg x \sin \alpha \label{eq:303}
\end{equation}
The Lagrange's equations and the method of undefined multipliers use the relation:
\begin{equation}
\frac{d}{dt}\left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot q} \right) - \frac{\partial L}{\partial q} = \lambda_q \frac{\partial f}{\partial q} \label{eq:304
}
\end{equation}
Applying this in the Lagrangian :
\begin{equation} m \ddot x - mg \sin \alpha = \lambda_x \frac{\partial f}{\partial x} \end{equation}
\begin{equation} m r^2 \ddot \theta = \lambda_\theta \frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta} \end{equation}

where the constrain equation is $r \theta = x$ and therefore $f = r \theta - x = 0$. Then:
\begin{equation} m \ddot x - mg \sin \alpha = - \lambda \end{equation}
\begin{equation} m r^2 \ddot \theta = r \lambda \end{equation}
\begin{equation} m r \ddot \theta = \lambda \end{equation}
But, from the constrain we can found: $r \ddot \theta = \ddot x$. Then,
\begin{equation} \lambda = \frac{mg \sin \alpha}{2} \end{equation}
\begin{equation} \ddot x = \frac{mg \sin \alpha}{2} \end{equation}
\begin{equation} \ddot \theta = \frac{mg \sin \alpha}{2r} \end{equation}
The general solution for the equation of motion are:
\begin{equation} x(t) = \frac{1}{4} g t^2 \sin \alpha + At + B \end{equation}
\begin{equation} \theta(t) = \frac{1}{4r} g t^2 \sin \alpha + Ct + D \end{equation}
where $A,B,C,D$ are constants.

Apparently it is not the right answer. What am I doing wrong?
 
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Hi, alefisico!

I guess there was some kind of mishmash. So, the Lagrange's equations are $$\frac{d}{dt}\left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot q} \right) - \frac{\partial L}{\partial q} = 0.$$ These equations can be solved very simply without any "undetermined multipliers" which used when we try to find conditional extremums in non-linear programming theory.
 
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In the answer, is [itex] \ddot{\theta}=\frac{2g\sin{\alpha}}{3r} [/itex]?
 
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hi alefisico! welcome to pf! :smile:

just wanted to say that on this forum you don't need to type all those "\begin{equation}"s etc …

just type [noparse]$$ before and after
(or ## before and after for inline-tex)[/noparse] :wink:
 
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GregoryS said:
Hi, alefisico!

I guess there was some kind of mishmash. So, the Lagrange's equations are $$\frac{d}{dt}\left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot q} \right) - \frac{\partial L}{\partial q} = 0.$$ These equations can be solved very simply without any "undetermined multipliers" which used when we try to find conditional extremums in non-linear programming theory.

Those are the Lagrange equations in the absence of constraints.

Where there are constraints as in this problem, you need the method of Lagrange multipliers.

See, e.g., Goldstein Chapter 2.
 
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Albertodominguez3731 said:
Those are the Lagrange equations in the absence of constraints.

Where there are nonholonomic constraints in this case, you need the method of Lagrange multipliers. See, e.g., Goldstein Chapter 2.
:welcome:

This thread is nine years old, which is when the original poster was last seen!
 
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I posted for the benefit of anybody who might come across this page (like myself) and be confused by Gregory's incorrect observation. As far as the OP, I assume he finished his classical mechanics class (successfully or otherwise) and moved on.
 
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The error in the OP's solution is that he is considering only one rotation angle. That simpler problem is actually solved by Goldstein in section 2.4, pp. 49-51 (2nd edition).

The wording in this problem is intended to allow rotation on two different axes.

See the attached figure below for the definition of the coordinates for this problem.
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For a correct solution to this problem and for a correct narration on nonholonomic mechanics as a whole
I would also recommend Nonholonomic Mechanics and Control (Interdisciplinary Applied Mathematics) (Anthony Bloch, et al)
and [Greenwood_D.T.]_Classical_dynamics
 
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1. How does the angle of inclination affect the speed of the wheel?

As the angle of inclination increases, the speed of the wheel also increases. This is because a steeper slope will generate more gravitational force, causing the wheel to accelerate faster.

2. What factors contribute to the rolling motion of the wheel?

The rolling motion of a wheel is primarily influenced by the force of gravity and the shape of the wheel itself. The weight of the wheel and the angle of inclination also play a role in the speed and direction of the motion.

3. Can a wheel roll down an inclined surface without any external force?

No, the wheel requires some external force, such as gravity or a push, to start and maintain its rolling motion. Without any external force, the wheel would stay at rest or continue moving at a constant velocity.

4. How does the mass of the wheel impact its rolling motion?

The mass of the wheel does not have a significant effect on its rolling motion down an inclined surface. The force of gravity and the shape of the wheel are the primary factors that determine the speed and direction of the motion.

5. Is the rolling motion of the wheel considered a type of linear or rotational motion?

The rolling motion of the wheel can be described as a combination of linear and rotational motion. While the center of the wheel moves in a straight line, the outer edge of the wheel rotates around this center point.

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