Absorption/Emission of photons of specific frequency (Doppler Effect)

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The discussion revolves around the absorption and emission of photons by electrons in atomic energy states, particularly in the context of the Doppler Effect and the implications of relative motion between emitting and absorbing electrons. Participants explore the conditions under which photons of specific frequencies can be absorbed despite relative motion affecting their observed wavelengths.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how an electron can absorb a photon of a specific frequency given that there is always relative motion between the emitting and absorbing electrons, suggesting a need for a "margin of error" in frequency absorption.
  • Another participant emphasizes that when one electron transitions to a new state, the other electron is not in the same state, implying a complexity in the interaction during absorption.
  • A different participant notes that atomic transitions have a natural "linewidth" due to the energy-time uncertainty principle, indicating that there is a small range of allowable energies for absorption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of photon absorption in the presence of relative motion, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how absorption occurs under these conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the definitions of energy states and the implications of the Doppler Effect, as well as the unresolved nature of how relative motion affects photon absorption.

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I recall being taught that electrons in various "orbitals" or "energy states" absorb and emit photons of a specific frequency. I also learned that relative speed changes the observed wavelength of photons, due to the Doppler Effect.

So, how is it that some electron can "absorb" a photon of a specific frequency if there is always going to be some movement relative to the electron and from where the photon was emitted? What is the "margin of error" in the frequency of a photon that a specific electron wil still absorb it?

In other words, assume that some bound electron in atom A1 moves from state S to S' and emits a photon of wavelength X. There's another electron A2 in state S' which absorbs X and switches to state S. I don't see how this can happen. I'm saying that A2 and A1 will nearly always have some motion relative to each other, and thus X leaving A1 is different from X arriving at A2 (unless there is some margin of error where the electron can absorb frequencies in the range Y to Z, and X is within this range).

Could anyone provide insight into this? I must be misunderstanding something.
 
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feynomite said:
I recall being taught that electrons in various "orbitals" or "energy states" absorb and emit photons of a specific frequency. I also learned that relative speed changes the observed wavelength of photons, due to the Doppler Effect.

So, how is it that some electron can "absorb" a photon of a specific frequency if there is always going to be some movement relative to the electron and from where the photon was emitted? What is the "margin of error" in the frequency of a photon that a specific electron wil still absorb it?

In other words, assume that some bound electron in atom A1 moves from state S to S' and emits a photon of wavelength X. There's another electron A2 in state S' which absorbs X and switches to state S. I don't see how this can happen. I'm saying that A2 and A1 will nearly always have some motion relative to each other, and thus X leaving A1 is different from X arriving at A2 (unless there is some margin of error where the electron can absorb frequencies in the range Y to Z, and X is within this range).

Could anyone provide insight into this? I must be misunderstanding something.

No, when A1 leave new state the A2 not SAME. It different, must be that when absorbs.
 
I'm hoping someone will be able to shed some light on this question... it's pretty straightforward and I'm sure someone has the answer.

Thanks
 
Atomic transitions have a natural "linewidth" because of the energy-time uncertanity principle, so there is actually a small range of allowable energies.
 

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