AC Induction motor startup current

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The discussion revolves around calculating the starting current for a 3-phase induction motor, specifically focusing on the necessary amperage for a fuse in series with one of the phases. Participants explore various methods and formulas to determine the starting current based on given parameters such as rated power, efficiency, and power factor.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the working current of a 9.4 kW motor and seeks to determine the starting current using additional data, including mechanical efficiency and a parameter referred to as Kp.
  • Another participant suggests consulting published guidelines for motor fusing and mentions the NEMA KVA Code as a reference for determining starting current.
  • A different participant provides an alternative calculation for the rated current of a similar motor, suggesting that the starting current could be around 80 A based on the ratio of start current to rated current.
  • There is a discussion about the validity of the efficiency and power factor values used in calculations, with some participants expressing skepticism about achieving high efficiency in practical scenarios.
  • One participant questions the formula used by another and expresses difficulty in reproducing the results, indicating a lack of clarity in the calculations.
  • A query is raised about the applicability of the square root in calculations for single-phase induction motors, leading to a brief clarification on its use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and assumptions regarding efficiency and power factor. There is no consensus on the exact method to determine the starting current, and multiple competing approaches are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on specific definitions and assumptions, such as the interpretation of Kp and the validity of efficiency values. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the parameters involved.

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Individuals interested in electrical engineering, particularly those working with induction motors and motor protection, may find this discussion relevant.

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Friend gave me this task he had back in school to calculate the necessary amperage for a fuse that is put in series with one of the phases for a 3 phase induction motor.
I could calculate the working current of the motor from the rated kW and cos voltage/current angle, but I couldn't figure out how to calculate the starting current.

The parameters are as such , motor is put in a 3 phase delta (triangle) connection, supply voltage 380v, motor rated power 9.4Kw, power coefficient is 0,91cos.
From this I took 9.4kW and expressed that as 9400w which I divided by the power coefficient times voltage, I got 27.18 amps, the total current consumed, divide that by 3 as each phase uses one third of the current and I got 9.06 amps as the working current for a phase.
Obviously I could crudely take those 9 amps and multiply them by about 7 (times the nominal current for an induction motor at startup) but the task gives additional data, so my question then is using this additional data is it possible to determine the starting current and how?

additional data: mechanic efficiency = 0.98
Kp=Ip/In = 5 (really don't know what this means)
and lastly lower case alpha α = 2.0thanks.
 
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There are published guidelines for motor fusing , available at national electrical code and at fuse manufacturers sites

eg
https://m.littelfuse.com/~/media/electrical/application-notes/littelfuse-motor-protection-guide.pdf
http://www.cooperindustries.com/content/dam/public/bussmann/Electrical/Resources/solution-center/technical_library/BUS_Ele_Tech_Lib_Motor_Protection_Tables.pdf

As to starting current
someplace on the motor nameplate should be an entry called "NEMA KVA Code" or similar
it's a single letter code telling you what is the starting current
you look up the value corresponding to the one letter code in a table
it's expressed in kva per horsepowerhere's the top half of the table, rest of it is in the link
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https://www.electricalengineeringtoolbox.com/2015/12/nema-locked-rotor-kva-for-three-phase.html
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If we take R&M technical data resource for a 12.5 HP/9.3 kW induction motor at 380 V 50 Hz the rated current it is about 20 A[from other source the efficacy it is only 88% and power factor only 0.8]. However, in your case I=9400/SQRT(3)/0.98/0.91=16 A.
Ip/In could be the start current divided by rated then the start current it is about 80 A. In my opinion α it could be Tα/Tn the starting torque to rated torque ratio. Usually the start current it is between 6 to 8 times the rated. However, for 16 poles [750 rpm] this could be 5.
Still, in my opinion, some data are not entirely real. For instance efficacy of 98% is difficult to achieve.
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Well this is a crude school task so I guess the numbers aren't meant to add up to real life performance.
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so you are dividing the rated power in watts with the square root of (mechanical efficiency divided by cosine) ? Then why the you put (3) after sqrt, I don't understand this one?

I am trying to solve the equation you gave but I can't , I'm getting different numbers
 
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Irated[A]=P[kW]*1000/[√3*cosfi*eff*V]
[only 3 is under sqrt[√]
Irated=9400/[SQRT(3)*0.98*0.91*380]=16 A
 
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@Babadag ok and if I had a single phase induction motor , would I then have to use sqrt of 2 or any sqrt or none at all?
 
If "none at all" it means 1 then it is correct.
 

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