Accelerating universe, decreasing hubble constant

• Ranku
In summary, the Hubble constant is defined as (da/dt) / a and is a key factor in the Friedman model of the universe. The expansion of the universe is accelerating, meaning that the time rate of increase in the scalefactor is increasing. This results in the Hubble constant decreasing at a lower rate than when the universe was decelerating. The scalefactor, which is the backbone of the model, is a dimensionless variable and is usually defined to be 1 in the present epoch. The exact definition does not matter as it is used to measure ratios like a(t1)/a(t2) or a'(t)/a(t). The deceleration parameter can be constructed from the ratio H'/H²,
Ranku
I wanted to know a bit more about the fact that in the presently accelerating expansion of the universe the Hubble constant is still decreasing. When the universe was decelerating the Hubble constant was decreasing. It is still decreasing in an accelerating universe. Does that mean the Hubble constant is decreasing in an accelerating universe at a lower rate than it was when the universe was decelerating? In other words, when we say the universe is accelerating do we really mean that it is decelerating less than before?

The Hubble constant is defined as (da/dt) / a. Pick any function for a(t), where d²a/dt² > 0 means "accelerating", and have a look at the Hubble constant.
You'll see that even if a(t) increases exponentially with time, H merely stays constant.

Ranku said:
... In other words, when we say the universe is accelerating do we really mean that it is decelerating less than before?

Ich answered perfectly. I will just repeat for emphasis. No, we do not mean what you said. When we say the universe is accelerating, we mean that the expansion is accelerating (an increase in the time rate of increase in the scalefactor)

Our handle on the size of the universe is the scalefactor a(t). What plugs into the Friedman metric and makes distances expand.
The scalefactor is the key thing in the Friedman model. The two Friedman equations govern the evolution of the scalefactor.

(Look up Friedman equations on Wiki)

Do not worry about the Hubble rate. It is just a conventional symbol for the ratio a'/a.
It relates in a convenient way to observations, and is extremely useful, but is not fundamental.
The real thing you must think about is a(t). It is the backbone and the guts of the model.

When people say "the universe is expanding" that means nothing else than that
a'(t) > 0

When people say "the expansion is accelerating" that means nothing else than
a"(t) > 0.

There is no reason to be surprised that H(t) is decreasing. H(t) is merely something defined to be equal a'(t)/a(t) and it is quite normal for a function which is increasing at an increasing rate to have that particular ratio be decreasing. Here is an example:

Let f(t) = t3 on the positive real axis.

Then f'(t) = 3t2 which is positive so f is increasing

and f"(t) = 6t which is positive so the increase is accelerating.

But what would be analogous to H, namely f'(t)/f(t) = 3t2/t3 = 3/t,

is obviously decreasing.

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Ranku, thanks for posting this question on the forum. It is constructive. Many people do not understand what "accelerating expansion" means and get confused in exactly the way you did. If there is something about this that you now do not understand, please ask more questions. Keep asking until it is clear.

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Hi Marcus, thank you for your detailed explanation; (and to Ich's help too). I do not have much of a math background, but I get the idea that taking the time derivative of a(t) gives the required results.
What I would like to know is how does it relate to the astronomical observation of the value of the Hubble constant, and so I repeat that part of the question: is the Hubble constant decreasing at a lower rate in an accelerating universe than the rate it was decreasing when the universe was decelerating?
Regarding using the scale factor a(t), what is its unit, how do we get the values for it, how is it measured?

What I would like to know is how does it relate to the astronomical observation of the value of the Hubble constant, and so I repeat that part of the question: is the Hubble constant decreasing at a lower rate in an accelerating universe than the rate it was decreasing when the universe was decelerating?
We can measure the current value of the Hubble constant directly, not its time derivatives. So there is no relation to the direct measurement of H0.
H is decreasing wth time, but that has nothing to do with acceleration/deceleration. If a(t) were any power funtion, H~1/t would be always true.
Regarding using the scale factor a(t), what is its unit, how do we get the values for it, how is it measured?
It's usualy taken as a dimensionless variable and defined to be 1 in the present epoch. The exact definition does not matter, all you can measure is ratios like a(t1)/a(t2) or a'(t)/a(t) and such.
a(t1)/a(t2) is direcly related to the measured redshift of comoving objects: a(now)/a(time of light emission) = 1+z.

Thanks for the response, Ich. But I still haven't got the exact answer I am looking for. I understood that the Hubble constant is decreasing whether the universe is accelerating or decelerating. What I want to know is about the rate of decrease of the Hubble constant. Is the rate of decrease lower in an accelerating universe than in a decelerating universe?

Is the rate of decrease lower in an accelerating universe than in a decelerating universe?
Ok, if you could measure H and H', you can construct the deceleration parameter from the ratio H'/H². That means, if H'/H²>-1, the expansion is accelerating.
So, yes, if you define "rate of decrease" as -H'/H², your statement is true.

Modern cosmology, based on observational evidence [as Ich noted], provides one answer. I am not aware of any viable alternatives to date.

1. What is the accelerating universe theory?

The accelerating universe theory is a cosmological model that suggests the universe is expanding at an increasing rate. This is in contrast to the previous understanding that the expansion of the universe was slowing down over time. It is supported by observations of distant supernovae and the cosmic microwave background radiation.

2. How does the accelerating universe theory relate to the Hubble constant?

The Hubble constant is a measure of the rate at which the universe is expanding. The accelerating universe theory suggests that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, which means the value of the Hubble constant is decreasing over time.

3. What evidence supports the idea of a decreasing Hubble constant?

Observations of distant supernovae and the cosmic microwave background radiation have shown that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. This is consistent with a decreasing Hubble constant, as the expansion rate would need to increase to achieve this acceleration.

4. How does the concept of dark energy play a role in an accelerating universe and decreasing Hubble constant?

Dark energy is a hypothetical form of energy that is thought to be responsible for the acceleration of the expansion of the universe. It is believed to make up a large portion of the total energy density of the universe and is thought to be the driving force behind the increasing expansion rate and decreasing Hubble constant.

5. What are the implications of an accelerating universe and decreasing Hubble constant for the future of the universe?

If the accelerating universe theory and decreasing Hubble constant are correct, it suggests that the expansion of the universe will continue to accelerate indefinitely. This could lead to a "big rip" scenario, in which the universe expands so rapidly that all matter and even space itself is torn apart. However, more research is needed to fully understand the implications of these theories for the future of the universe.

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