Acceleration of a solid cylinder on an incline

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The discussion revolves around determining the acceleration of a solid cylinder rolling down an incline at an angle (theta) with the horizontal. The original poster attempts to derive the acceleration using conservation of mechanical energy and the moment of inertia for a solid cylinder.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of mechanical energy and the relationship between linear and angular motion. There are attempts to simplify equations and clarify the role of the moment of inertia. Questions arise regarding the origin of the 2/3 factor in the acceleration equation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the relationship between potential energy and rolling motion. There is recognition of a misunderstanding in the original poster's approach, and guidance has been offered regarding the connection between rolling and sliding motion.

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There is mention of uncertainty regarding the moment of inertia and its derivation, as well as the need to clarify the distinction between different velocities in the equations presented.

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Homework Statement


Show that the acceleration of a solid cylinder rolling down an incline that makes an angle (theta) with the horizontal is given by the equation:
a=2/3 g sin(theta)


Homework Equations


Using the conservation of mechanical energy:
1/2 Mv2 + 1/2 I w2 + Mgh = 1/2Mv2 + 1/2 Iw2 + Mgh
***Note: w = angular velocity, I'm just not sure how to insert the symbol
v2 = v20 + 2a(x-x0)
I=1/2MR2

The Attempt at a Solution


After simplifying the conservation of mechanical energy equation and substituting in the equation for moment of inertia, I got:
1/4v2 + gh = 1/2v2 + 1/4v2

In order to solve for acceleration, I substituted in the equation v2=2a(d) ... where d is equal to distance down the incline:
1/4(2ad) + gh = 1/2(2ad) + 1/4(2ad)
Simplified:
gh = ad
Therefore, a = gh/d
And height/distance is equal to sin(theta):
a=gsin(theta)

The problem is that I don't know where the 2/3 comes in ...

Thankyou in advance for your help :)
 
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chelseaalyssa said:
v2 = v20 + 2a(x-x0)
Hello Chelseaalyssa
Nice problem you have there. I see you found that if you flip the cilinder to the side the acceleration would fully go to sliding. The 2/3 factor is one to prove. Part of the potential energy comes into rolling the cilinder. I have tried to find if the moment of inertia is indeed
I=MR^2/2. Have not found the page(s) in my mechanic book where this very nice way of using integrals is directed to the most common forms... Suppose that this is correct:
The most important thing is to connect the rolling to the moving; so the omega w and the velocity v.
Succes and greetings from Janm
 
In this equation, 1/4v2 + gh = 1/2v2 + 1/4v2, the v on the left side is not the same as the v on the right side.

If v on the left is initially zero, i.e. the cylinder is at rest, then the equation becomes

gh = 1/2v2 + 1/4v2

and then using v2=2a(d)

gh = 1/2(2ad) + 1/4(2ad).
 
Oh ok - I see where I went wrong...
Thanks for the help!
 

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