Acceleration of block 1 in a pulley system

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The discussion revolves around determining the acceleration of block 1 in a pulley system, where block 1 has a mass of 2 kg and block 2 has a mass of 4 kg. The problem specifies ignoring friction and the mass of the pulley.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the acceleration using free body diagrams and equations of motion. Some participants question the relationship between the accelerations of the two blocks, specifically whether the equation a1 = 2a2 is valid.

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Participants are exploring the relationship between the distances moved by the blocks and the pulley. There is a productive exchange regarding the implications of the pulley system's mechanics on the accelerations of the blocks.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions made regarding the motion of the blocks and the pulley, particularly how the movement of one block affects the other due to the constraints of the rope.

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Find acceleration of block 1, knowing that the mass of block 1 is 2kg and of block 2 is 4kg. You may ignore friction and pulley mass.

Homework Equations



Fr = ma

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I Drew free body diagrams to block 1, 2 and the pulley, then made the equations:
<br /> \\<br /> \sum F_{r2} = m_2a_2\\<br /> P_2 - T_2 = m_2a_2\\<br /> \\<br /> \sum F_{rpulley} = m_{pulley}*a\\<br /> 2T_2 = T_1\\<br /> \\<br /> \sum F_{1}=m_1a_1\\<br /> T_1=m_1a_1\rightarrow T_2 = \frac{m_1a_1}{2}<br /> <br /> \\\\a_1=2a_2 \rightarrow T_2=\frac{m_1(2a_2)}{2} = m_1a_2<br /> <br /> \\(Substituting\ in \ first\ equation)\\<br /> P_2-(m_1a_2)= m_2a_2\\<br /> a_2(m_2+m_1) = m_2*g\\\\<br /> a_2=\frac{m_2g}{m_2+m_1} = 6.53\frac{m}{s^2}\rightarrow a_1 = 13.06\frac{m}{s^2}<br />
The answer, however, is supposed to be 4.4 m/s²


Thanks in advance!
 
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Is ##a_1 = 2 a_2## true?
 
Well, I think it is, isn't it?

If 1 moves a distance "d", 2 will move only d/2 because the rope has to run on both sides of the pulley.
 
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Well, I think it is, isn't it?

If 1 moves a distance "d", 2 will move only d/2 because the rope has to run on both sides of the pulley.

On the other hand, if 1 moves a distance "d", the pulley "takes" a length "d" of rope from both sides of the pulley. This rope can only come from the free end holding m2.

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Wow, that... that makes a lot of sense, so in fact a1 = 2a2

Thanks a lot, gneill!
 

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