Two masses and two pulleys problem

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two masses, M1 and M2, connected by a system of strings and pulleys, which are described as massless and frictionless. The goal is to find the acceleration of M1, using Newton's second law of motion as the primary framework for analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law to derive relationships between the forces acting on the masses and the tensions in the strings. There is an exploration of the relationship between the accelerations of M1 and M2, with some participants questioning the assumptions made regarding their equality.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. There is a focus on understanding the implications of massless pulleys and the relationships between the movements of the masses and the pulleys. Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the constraints imposed by the system's setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of massless pulleys and the resulting forces, leading to questions about the nature of acceleration in such systems. There is an ongoing examination of how the constraints of the problem affect the relationships between the variables involved.

  • #31
All right, I think I get it now. Back to the original problem.

So I have four pieces of information:

##T_1 - W_1 = m_1 a_1##
##T_2 - W_2 = m_2 a_2##
##T_1 = 2T_2##
##a_2 = 2 a_1##

When I combine all of this, I get the equation ##\displaystyle a_1 = \frac{g(2 m_2 - m_1)}{m_1 - 4 m_2}##, which is not correct because I need to have that if the masses are equal, then ##\displaystyle a_1 = \frac{g}{5}##. What am I doing wrong?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #32
Mr Davis 97 said:
All right, I think I get it now. Back to the original problem.

So I have four pieces of information:

##T_1 - W_1 = m_1 a_1##
##T_2 - W_2 = m_2 a_2##
##T_1 = 2T_2##
##a_2 = 2 a_1##

When I combine all of this, I get the equation ##\displaystyle a_1 = \frac{g(2 m_2 - m_1)}{m_1 - 4 m_2}##, which is not correct because I need to have that if the masses are equal, then ##\displaystyle a_1 = \frac{g}{5}##. What am I doing wrong?
You have to take the the sign of accelerations into account. m1 and m2 accelerate in opposite directions. If m1 moves upward, the hanging pulley moves downward, and so does m2. So a2=2a1 is not true.
 
  • #33
so a(2)=-2a(1)?
 
  • #34

Similar threads

  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
1K
Replies
25
Views
3K
  • · Replies 102 ·
4
Replies
102
Views
8K
  • · Replies 68 ·
3
Replies
68
Views
13K
  • · Replies 30 ·
2
Replies
30
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
6K