Two masses and two pulleys problem

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The forum discussion centers on solving the Two Masses and Two Pulleys problem using Newton's Second Law of Motion. Participants derive equations for the tensions and accelerations of the masses, specifically M1 and M2, connected by massless, frictionless pulleys. The correct expression for the acceleration of M1 is established as a_1 = g(2m_2 - m_1) / (m_1 - 4m_2), with the condition that if M1 equals M2, then a_1 = g/5. The discussion emphasizes the importance of considering the direction of accelerations and the constraints imposed by the system.

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  • #31
All right, I think I get it now. Back to the original problem.

So I have four pieces of information:

##T_1 - W_1 = m_1 a_1##
##T_2 - W_2 = m_2 a_2##
##T_1 = 2T_2##
##a_2 = 2 a_1##

When I combine all of this, I get the equation ##\displaystyle a_1 = \frac{g(2 m_2 - m_1)}{m_1 - 4 m_2}##, which is not correct because I need to have that if the masses are equal, then ##\displaystyle a_1 = \frac{g}{5}##. What am I doing wrong?
 
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  • #32
Mr Davis 97 said:
All right, I think I get it now. Back to the original problem.

So I have four pieces of information:

##T_1 - W_1 = m_1 a_1##
##T_2 - W_2 = m_2 a_2##
##T_1 = 2T_2##
##a_2 = 2 a_1##

When I combine all of this, I get the equation ##\displaystyle a_1 = \frac{g(2 m_2 - m_1)}{m_1 - 4 m_2}##, which is not correct because I need to have that if the masses are equal, then ##\displaystyle a_1 = \frac{g}{5}##. What am I doing wrong?
You have to take the the sign of accelerations into account. m1 and m2 accelerate in opposite directions. If m1 moves upward, the hanging pulley moves downward, and so does m2. So a2=2a1 is not true.
 
  • #33
so a(2)=-2a(1)?
 
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