Action Reaction force on the earth

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The discussion revolves around the concept of action and reaction forces as described by Newton's laws, particularly in the context of gravitational interactions between a person and the Earth. Participants explore the implications of these forces when a person is sitting in a chair versus falling, seeking mathematical explanations and clarifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how a person can pull the Earth upwards with the same force that the Earth pulls them downwards, asking for a mathematical explanation.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical framework using Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation and Newton's Third Law, stating that the forces are equal in magnitude but opposite in direction.
  • A participant notes that while gravitational forces are equal and opposite, the resulting accelerations differ significantly due to the mass of the Earth compared to a person.
  • One participant clarifies that when sitting in a chair, there is no acceleration because contact forces cancel gravitational forces, although they do not cancel each other out completely.
  • A later reply acknowledges the clarification about contact forces and emphasizes that they sum to zero, resulting in no acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the fundamental principles of action and reaction forces, but there is some disagreement regarding the interpretation of forces and accelerations in different scenarios, particularly when a person is sitting versus falling.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the precise nature of contact forces and their relationship to gravitational forces, as well as the implications of acceleration in different contexts.

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"As you sit in your chair and study your physics (presuming that you do), the force of gravity acts downward upon your body. The reaction force to the force of the Earth pulling you downward is the force of your body pulling the Earth upwards". I read this somewhere just a bit ago and it's confusing me. How is it possible for you to be able to pull the Earth towards you with the same force? A mathematical explanation would be good also.
 
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Zack K said:
"As you sit in your chair and study your physics (presuming that you do), the force of gravity acts downward upon your body. The reaction force to the force of the Earth pulling you downward is the force of your body pulling the Earth upwards". I read this somewhere just a bit ago and it's confusing me. How is it possible for you to be able to pull the Earth towards you with the same force? A mathematical explanation would be good also.
Just apply Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation and Newton's Third law of motion.
The force of the Earth (of mass M) on a body of mass m is:
$$ F_{M on m} = m\frac{GM}{R^2}\hat{R} $$

By the third law, there must be an equal and opposite force of the body on the earth:

$$F_{m on M} = - M\frac{Gm}{R^2}\hat{R}$$

So the forces are equal in magnitude but opposite in direction.

If you consider a person falling to the Earth rather than sitting in a chair, the gravitational forces are still equal and opposite, but not the accelerations. Since F = mass × acceleration the Earth does not accelerate very fast toward the person. Acceleration of the Earth is so small it cannot be measured. Work out the acceleration of the Earth from a falling 100 kg mass using the above equation.

AM (Edited in response to A.T.'s comment below)
 
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Zack K said:
"As you sit in your chair and study your physics ...
Andrew Mason said:
Work out the acceleration...
If you sit in your chair, there is no acceleration, because the contact forces cancel the gravitational forces.
 
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A.T. said:
If you sit in your chair, there is no acceleration, because the contact forces cancel the gravitational forces.
Thanks. Your point is well taken, although the contact forces don't exactly cancel the gravitational forces. They still exist, of course. But the gravitational and contact forces sum to 0, so there is no acceleration. I have edited my earlier post accordingly.

AM
 
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