Adding a total derivative to the Lagrangian

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The discussion centers on the relationship between two Lagrangians that describe the same Maxwell field theory, suggesting they differ only by a total derivative. The user seeks clarification on how to find a vector B^\mu such that the difference between the two Lagrangians can be expressed as a total derivative. There is a debate about the appropriateness of imposing gauge conditions on the Lagrangian, with one participant arguing against it. The conversation includes attempts to manipulate the terms of the Lagrangians to demonstrate their equivalence. Ultimately, the need for a detailed derivation of the total derivative is emphasized.
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I recently posted another thread on the General Physics sub forum, but didn't get as much feedback as I was hoping for, regarding this issue. Let's say I have two Lagrangians:
$$ \mathcal{L}_1 = -\frac{1}{2}(\partial_\mu A_\nu)(\partial^\mu A^\nu) + \frac{1}{2}(\partial_\mu A^\mu)^2 $$
$$ \mathcal{L}_2 = -\frac{1}{2}(\partial_\mu A_\nu)(\partial^\mu A^\nu) + \frac{1}{2}(\partial_\nu A_\mu)(\partial^\mu A^\nu) $$
They refer to the same Maxwell in a vacuum field theory, so they give rise to the same equations of motion. As such they should differ only by a total derivative. I can test if something is a total derivative by plugging it into the Euler-Lagrange equations, and see if I get something that can be reduced to 0\,=\,0. In this case, there should be some vector B^\mu such that the difference between the two Lagrangians, is equal to \partial_\mu B^\mu, right? My question is, how can you find B^\mu (up to the addition of a divergence-less term)?
 
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Since the first 2 terms are identical, you need to show that the second term of L1 = L2 + 4 div, thing which I find trivial.
 
dextercioby said:
Since the first 2 terms are identical, you need to show that the second term of L1 = L2 + 4 div, thing which I find trivial.

I'm sorry, but I'm just not finding it trivial. Could you write it out for me, please?
 
or you can just try the Lorentz gauge... for the 1st
For the second you just need to do a partial derivative, and use again the Lorentz gauge...
You'll have the same lagrangians, differing by a total derivative term
 
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ChrisVer said:
or you can just try the Lorentz gauge...
No, you cannot impose gauge conditions on the Lagrangian!

I'm sorry, but I'm just not finding it trivial. Could you write it out for me, please?

Aμ,νAν,μ = (Aμ,νAν) - Aμ,νμAν = (Aν,μAμ) - Aμ,νμAν = (Aν,μAμ - Aμ,μAν) + Aμ,μAν,ν
 
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