What is the temperature at which air becomes plasma?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the temperature at which air transitions into plasma, exploring theoretical and practical aspects of ionization in gases. Participants examine various temperature thresholds, the role of radiation, and the definitions surrounding plasma formation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assertion that a flame at 15 million degrees Celsius is not plasma, suggesting that air must become plasma at that temperature.
  • Another participant references a source claiming that air becomes plasma at approximately 174,408 K.
  • It is noted that higher temperatures lead to increased ionization in air, with even room temperature containing some ions due to radiation. A candle flame is mentioned as producing more ions, and its interaction with microwaves can create a plasma ball.
  • A participant inquires about the possibility of defining a vague ionization temperature without external influences like radiation or electric fields.
  • One contribution states that at 15 million degrees, air is not only plasma but also emits strongly in the extreme UV to X-ray range, with mention of fusion occurring at this temperature in a deuterium-tritium gas mix.
  • Another participant discusses the dissociation of oxygen at 3000 K and the higher temperatures required for significant ionization, indicating that slight ionization occurs at lower temperatures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specific temperature at which air becomes plasma, with no consensus reached on a definitive threshold. The discussion includes various interpretations of ionization and the conditions necessary for plasma formation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in defining a precise temperature for plasma formation due to dependencies on factors like radiation and the specific gas composition. The discussion also highlights the ambiguity in the percentage of ionization required to classify a gas as plasma.

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Need help here to determine correct temperature when the air turned into plasma, because there is someone in other forum (not here) insisted that a 15000000 degree celsius flame is flame, not plasma, but I think at that temperature air must already becoming plasma.
 
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The higher the temperature of air is the more ions it will contain. Even at room temperature there are a few ions that are mostly generated by radiation.
A candle flame contains a lot more ions. Put a burning candle into a microwave oven and you get a nice plasma ball because the flame is so conductive it absorbs most of the microwaves. What percentage of air molecules must be ionized to call it a plasma is not clearly defined. So you can't give an exact temperature at which air turns into plasma. The hotter it is the more it is ionized.
 
But without the influence of any radiation, or electric fields, etc., using only heat as the source, still can it have a vague ionization temperature??:confused:??
 
At 3000K oxygen dissociates significantly into neutral individual atoms. Nitrogen needs several 1000K more. Significant ionization takes a hotter temperature. But very slight ionization happens before.

You can look for the ionization energy and divide it by R (if moles, or by k if molecules) to get a temperature where oxygen is half-way ionized.
 

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