Air rifle max velocity vs. tank pressure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the unexpected behavior of an air rifle's pellet velocity in relation to the internal tank pressure. Participants explore the relationship between the air pressure in the tank and the velocity of the pellet, particularly noting that the maximum velocity occurs at lower pressures rather than at the highest pressure levels. The scope includes engineering and physics considerations related to air pressure dynamics, mechanical design, and projectile behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that high pressure may cause air to escape past O-rings, reducing the effective pressure for firing the pellet.
  • Another participant proposes that the friction of the pellets in the barrel may cause heating, potentially affecting the fit and air dynamics.
  • Some participants mention the Joule-Thomson effect and its potential impact on the air's behavior at different pressures.
  • Concerns are raised about the drag on the pellet's skirt at higher pressures and how it might influence velocity.
  • A participant theorizes that the valve mechanism's design may affect how much air is released with each shot, suggesting that lower pressures might allow for a longer valve opening time.
  • There is a discussion about the effects of pellet shape on velocity and whether different shapes would yield similar velocity curves.
  • One participant questions the measurement distance from the muzzle and its potential impact on observed velocity.
  • Another participant suggests that the effects observed may be due to competing processes occurring during firing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses and theories regarding the observed behavior of the air rifle, but no consensus is reached. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the mechanisms at play and the influence of different factors such as pressure, pellet design, and valve mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves complex interactions between mechanical design and fluid dynamics, with several assumptions about the behavior of air under pressure and the effects of temperature and friction remaining unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in air rifle design, enthusiasts seeking to understand performance characteristics, and those studying fluid dynamics and mechanical engineering principles related to projectile motion.

  • #31
JakeBrodskyPE said:
Doug Huffman suggested the possibility of locally choked flow. I tend to agree with that notion. Remember that you're dealing with a gas flow that is approaching Mach 1 --which at sea level should be around 1150 fps at the muzzle of the air-gun at standard atmosphere temperature and pressure.

My question is whether there is a sonic orifice after the needle valve that might limit the flow of gas into the breech of the gun. I don't know this specific model of airgun, but It seems to me that there ought to be such an orifice so as to keep the mass flow and velocity as consistent as possible.

My guess is that the gas flow from the tank will initially cause the tank and its gas to cool. This chilled gas will then admit more flow through the sonic orifice, until the pressure starts to drop. I suggest you try chilling the cylinder and filling it with cold gas and then compare that to a room temperature cylinder. I'm willing to bet that chilling the cylinder and gas will shoot the pellet faster than room temperature gas at the same pressure.
The problem with that concept is that the gas mass flow still increases essentially linearly with pressure after choked flow is achieved. Only the throat discharge velocity remains constant.
 

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