Aliens/Intelligant Life forms, do they exist?

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The discussion centers around the existence of extraterrestrial life and the potential for contact between humans and intelligent life forms. Participants explore various theories, statistical likelihoods, and the conditions necessary for life, both within our solar system and beyond.

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  • Some participants suggest that with an infinite universe, it is statistically likely that other Earth-like planets exist.
  • Others argue that the vast distances between civilizations may hinder communication, despite the potential for many life forms.
  • One participant proposes that single-celled life may have existed in our solar system, while the existence of multicellular life remains debatable.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions necessary for life, with some asserting that the formation of amino acids and proteins is complex and unlikely.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that life as we know it may not be the only form of life possible, challenging the assumptions about amino acids and DNA.
  • Participants debate the geological and physical characteristics of Europa, with conflicting claims about the presence of an ocean beneath its ice surface.
  • Speculative ideas about complex life forms on Europa are presented, suggesting unique evolutionary paths influenced by Jupiter's magnetic field.
  • Some participants express skepticism about claims regarding new discoveries related to Europa's structure, requesting evidence and sources for such assertions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of extraterrestrial life or the specifics of life’s formation. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

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Limitations include the reliance on current knowledge of life and planetary conditions, as well as the speculative nature of some claims regarding extraterrestrial life and the geological features of celestial bodies.

  • #61


Originally posted by PhysicsRocks88
2. Who is "they" and who is "us". Some organisms on Earth did not come from non-life on our Earth - they came from outerspace. Humans posess a collection of life that came from outspace to Earth via meteors.

There is no evidence for this.

3. "trillions" of planets? Who provided you with this number?

I think it was obvious that he was just implying a large, not exact, number.

4. You say you can't believe not another planet has remotely our conditions. In fact scientists have identified MANY planets that have our same make-up.

No terrestrial planets outside our solar system have been found yet.
 
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  • #62


Originally posted by PhysicsRocks88
Simply put the 100% meaning of life is to pass on your genes.
Science can pass no such value judgement. That may be a generalized observation of gene function, but "meaning" is something else.

Absolutely positively without any doubt whatsover, every single species and every single factor, adaptation, ability, quality etc... evolved for the sole purpose of breeding.
No scientist possesses such certainty. Also, evolution does not happen with intent (or "purpose" as you put it). Gene pool changes can occur for reasons other than better breeding. Differential success at breeding can be linked to each change perhaps.

You have eyes to see your mates...
You're stretching the point way too far.
 
  • #63


Originally posted by PhysicsRocks88
I am trained in biology to the highest degree possible.
Such a state is not possible. Even the top biologists in the world have more they can learn from others about certain aspects of biology (at some level of expertise, one begins to specialize and become less familiar with other aspects).

You exactly answered yourself. HomoSapiens who were able to use tools
Essentially, all Homo sapiens were tool-users.

Abslolutely every single factor and motivation is to pass on your genes. It is not ones individual choice - it is a preditermined requirement of being ALIVE.

Passing on genes is certainly a big factor...but not absolute.
What do you say of those people who choose not to breed?
 
  • #64
Originally posted by Phobos
there are such speculations...e.g., life forming in the cores of comets (heated via radioactive decay, the cores would provide shelter from space, a source of liquid water, a source of organic compounds in close contact, etc.)
Yeah, but intellegent life ?! That's just out there...:wink:
 
  • #65
There is no intelligent life out there.
I know because an alien once told me
 

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